#2303 Convos: Instant OpenClaw on your phone

**Andrew Warner** (0:00)
Hey there, Freedom Fighters. This interview is a little more visual than our usual ones. I do my best to do play-by-play, so if you're not watching, you can still understand what's going on. But if you're really interested in seeing the whole thing, go over to our YouTube channel to see it. It is at thenextnewthing.ai/youtube.
And here's my interview with Shane Mac, founder of XMTP, which created the Convos chat app.

**Shane Mac** (0:24)
Convos is an app that allows you to launch OpenClaw and Hermes agents on your phone.

**Andrew Warner** (0:28)
And you have it copy an app.

**Shane Mac** (0:30)
Just paste the link and tell your agent to copy it. It's done. Let's just do a screen share. I'll just show you how you can do it.

**Andrew Warner** (0:36)
Presented by Zapier, the AI automation company. Shane, let me see how easy it is to create an agent on your platform.

**Shane Mac** (0:43)
All right. I just opened Convos.
I hit start a Convo. I can choose whether or not I want to share my name with the agent. So I'll throw it out. I need to swipe up and then it joins.
And so it usually takes a couple of seconds. It goes and builds everything in the background. So it's provisioning an email address for this, a phone number, a web browsing capabilities, everything. And then it just joins like a member in a chat.

**Andrew Warner** (1:08)
And this is OpenClaw right off the bat?

**Shane Mac** (1:11)
OpenClaw or Hermes. So you get to pick your default. All right.

**Andrew Warner** (1:14)
You want to ask it just a quick question to see that it is an agent. What makes it an agent?
What makes it an agent? I didn't mean to ask that, but let's see. What makes you an agent? I was going to say, like, I was going to ask you to ask it a question that will have it prove that it is an agent. There we go. An agent is a model that could take, ask it, what can you do?
This is not yet available to the public. You're still rolling it out in small batches to a waitlist, and we'll have a link below in the show notes to anyone who wants it. All right, so now we've got it up and running. Can you have it copy an app the way that you showed on Twitter?

**Shane Mac** (1:57)
Yeah, so I was talking to Robert Stephens, actually, and he was like, I don't even download apps anymore. I just screenshot the app in the app store and throw it in a thing and go code the app, and then it just builds a personalized version of the app that I want. And I was like, that's interesting. I wonder if I can make that so anyone in the world could do it.
And so we made it where you can literally just take a photo, go to favorites, and I was looking at this app. I have my phone. I pay $29.99 a year for Cal AI. It's so simple. I drop photos. It analyzes the photos. It tells you the calories in it. And I was like, can you build this app into an agent?
And I screenshotted the app store listing, dropped this in, and I had no idea if it was going to work. I was just sitting there at a coffee shop Saturday morning. Robert said that to me and I was like, I wonder if it'll, like, these things are really powerful. And it really just is an accountability coach, but it's not even a good like coach. God, a Cal AI, a Cal AI might want me to build it out. Yes, please.

**Andrew Warner** (3:04)
And this is Robert Stevens, a friend of yours, the founder of Geek Squad who has told you that he is using this app in that way. And so you're saying, okay, let me demo it and see how it works for me. All right, it did it. It's got the skill MD file and it says, snap a photo of anything you eat and I'll log the calories and the macros instantly, no app, no database. You have a photo, I'm sure, of food.

**Shane Mac** (3:24)
Let's go find a healthy meal. All right, this one's healthy.

**Andrew Warner** (3:29)
I was hoping for a non-healthy meal. Okay, yeah, and this one's a little bit harder to see what's in there.

**Shane Mac** (3:36)
And you always have the red states. What's cool is it's like an accountability coach too. It's not just an app. And it lives inside of where all my other agents can live. And so it just broke it down. Carnitas plus a Lummi plus avocado. Here's your estimate. What's your daily target? So I can, let's do 2,200 a day.