#2284 - Ian Carroll

Ian Carroll (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

SPEAKER_3 (0:06)

Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

Welcome.

Geraldo Rivera (0:13)

Dude, very nice to meet you.

Ian Carroll (0:14)

Yeah, good to be here, man.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

So, let's take, first of all, why do we love conspiracy so much? Because I fucking love them. I love them, I love finding out the dirty little tactics and secrets and how the government does things and what the fuck's really going on. Why is it so exciting?

Ian Carroll (0:31)

I think it's something like deep down in humanity. We love storytelling.

And these days, conspiracy theories are like, I mean, ten years ago, conspiracy theories were fringe and they were problematic.

Joe Rogan (0:43)

Tell me about it.

Ian Carroll (0:44)

Right?

Joe Rogan (0:44)

I was a conspiracy theorist way back in the day when you were a fucking nut.

Ian Carroll (0:48)

Dude, you were a conspiracy theorist when I was not even here yet.

Joe Rogan (0:51)

I was arguing with people about the moon landing on the radio before there was any podcasts.

Ian Carroll (0:56)

I mean, maybe there's some of the mystery element, but the thing is that so many of them are, it's a knowledge, it's a thirst for knowledge, because some of them are total bullshit. But some of them are clearly, there's something there.

Joe Rogan (1:08)

Clearly.

Ian Carroll (1:08)

Right?

Joe Rogan (1:09)

Yeah.

Ian Carroll (1:09)

And realistically, if you had the journalists of integrity from 1960s era alive today and they hadn't been bought out and shot in the head and whatever else happened, dude, I think even in the 60s, they were compromised. Well, they were getting bought out.

Joe Rogan (1:22)

The big one is Woodward with the Watergate story.

Ian Carroll (1:26)

Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:27)

Did you see Bill Murray when I had Bill Murray in here?

Ian Carroll (1:29)

I haven't watched it yet. No.

Joe Rogan (1:31)

Bob Woodward wrote Wired, which is about John Belushi. Bill Murray read five pages of it and he said, holy shit, they framed Nixon. He said the Bob Woodward story about Belushi was so full of shit. It was so exaggerated and fake and just filled with nonsense. He's like John Belushi was a lightweight. He goes John Belushi would drink three beers and he'd be drunk. He goes he is probably the first speedball he ever took and he died from it. Like this whole thing about him being this raving drug-fueled maniac was totally fabricated.

Ian Carroll (2:08)

It's a good example of how the mainstream narrative had Nixon as a crook.

And he's just one of many examples, right? And when you really start to look into it, you realize, I mean, probably not the greatest guy, but what was the real story there? What were they framing? Why are they trying to get him out?

Joe Rogan (2:25)

Yeah, no, this is not a defense of Nixon. Nixon was not a great guy. But Tucker thinks that Nixon knew about too much about the JFK assassination and wanted to talk about it. And he started saying, I know who killed JFK. And he started yapping. And they were like, let's get this motherfucker out of here. And also, one of the terms that he had agreed to, to run for president, was Gerald Ford, who was on the fucking Warren Commission.

Ian Carroll (2:50)

Bingo.

Joe Rogan (2:51)

Gerald Ford as his VP. Gerald Ford becomes the first ever non-elected president. He slips in, he becomes president for kind of a bullshit term.

Ian Carroll (3:01)

Yeah, does a whole bunch of war party things and just a whole bunch of bullshit.

Joe Rogan (3:05)

And we decide that Nixon was the real problem with the country.

Ian Carroll (3:08)

I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone that they aren't sure about to get to president and they're putting, they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right?

Joe Rogan (3:17)

Oh yeah, Dick Cheney.

Ian Carroll (3:18)

Like LBJ with JFK.

Joe Rogan (3:20)

Dick Cheney.

Ian Carroll (3:20)

Dick Cheney.

Joe Rogan (3:21)

Everybody, it was the hidden secret that, well, Pence was a, I don't think.

Ian Carroll (3:25)

I don't know what the hell to think about Mike Pence.

Joe Rogan (3:26)

I have no idea. I think he was good to get the fucking, the religious people.

Ian Carroll (3:30)

Super rhino, super like, yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:32)

Weird guy.

Ian Carroll (3:32)

Yeah. But I mean, Trump is a weird guy too. Like, who knows what's going on with Trump right now.

Joe Rogan (3:36)