#2279 - Ky Dickens

Joe Rogan (0:03)

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Joe Rogan (0:13)

Very nice to meet you.

Ky Dickens (0:14)

Nice to meet you as well.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

I really loved your series, The Telepathy Tapes. I had long suspected that there was some sort of a way to prove that there's something going on. That there's no way that that would be a thing for so long, that people would talk about certain moments where people could read people's minds or certain moments where there was something that was being exchanged that wasn't verbal, it wasn't facial expressions, it wasn't body language, there was something going on.

Ky Dickens (0:48)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:48)

And The Telepathy Tapes, excuse me, The Telepathy Tapes essentially proved it. But what has been, has there been pushback about this? Like I know there's a lot of like hardcore skeptics that never want to believe.

Ky Dickens (1:04)

Yeah. I think anytime you're pushing the status quo, there's going to be pushback, of course, you know, but I think the overwhelming amount of emails that we've gotten from families and others that have a non-speaking child have been, you know, so excited that this news is finally out there. Same thing with teachers that have been witnessing, like you said, for witnessing this in classrooms and in their homes for decades, you know. And when facilitated communication first came to America, it was the 90s.

Joe Rogan (1:34)

What does that mean, facilitated communication?

Ky Dickens (1:36)

OK, maybe we should back up.

I mean, so I wonder, OK, so what the podcast is about are non-speaking individuals who tend to have apraxia, which is a mind-body disconnect. And those individuals cannot speak with, you know, using their voice. Speaking is a fine motor skill, whereas pointing to letters is a gross motor skill. So spelling to communicate is how many of these individuals communicate, right? And when the first, well, and with that in mind, I just want to say one quick thing, that often people historically have looked at people with apraxia or non-speakers and they think that because they can't speak, they can't think, that they're not in there, they don't presume competence, and none of that is true. These individuals have a hard time controlling their body, right? And so if you can't control your body, people make all sorts of assumptions, you know? And that's been really difficult. And so I think that the subjects in this project who are non-speakers with autism have been up against all sorts of different battles from people not presuming they're competent, from people doubting their way of communication through spelling to communicate. And then of course, it comes out in many cases that these individuals can read minds, have a plethora of other, for lack of a better word, spiritual gifts. And then the parents and teachers often aren't believed about that either. So it's like there's stigma every which way. Right. And the podcast is kind of a collision of all these stigmas and really trying to break down those stigmas and be like, here's the truth, these people are in there, spelling is a valid form of communication. And yes, many of them say they have spiritual gifts, which I think we can pretty much validate at this point.

Joe Rogan (3:19)

When you say spiritual gifts, what do you mean by that?

Ky Dickens (3:21)

Yeah. So when I first stumbled into this, which we can talk about later if you want, when I first kind of stumbled into this, I thought this was just about telepathy, right? And that there were these individuals and their parents and teachers are claiming they could read minds. And as I start meeting more and more and more of these families, and again, like I said, teachers is not limited to just families. One thing that they started telling me was telepathy is just the tip of the iceberg. And I didn't know what that meant, you know, what do you mean, to tell the tip of the iceberg? And it's true, because I think whether or not its ability to see disease or illness in someone and be able to diagnose it before this person knows that there's something wrong, reading an aura and, you know, saying that they can see a color around not just animals and humans, but plants. Being able to speak multiple languages, even though you haven't been taught them, or playing instruments and knowing music, or being able to access almost any song and having perfect pitch, being able to visit people in dreams.

And then, I mean, I think some of the more just like mind-altering, shocking things for me was how many non-speaking individuals have said that they are able to speak with people from the other side. And yeah, so it didn't just start with telepathy or end with telepathy. It's a plethora of things.