#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Lenval Logan** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Jason Sands** (0:13)
Okay, Joe, what's happening? Nice to meet you.

**Jason Sands** (0:16)
Nice to meet you, too.

**Jason Sands** (0:17)
Both of you guys were in The Program, which is a UFO, that's why I wore my Roswell shirt, UFO disclosure documentary, all about what's going on behind the scenes. Why don't you tell everybody before we get started, Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.

**Jason Sands** (0:35)
I'm a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 2007 Started off as an airframe guy, ended up in Intel and that's when things got strange. Had my second duty assignment as a Intel guy, and got introduced to the program, and that's how I ended up in the movie, is I had some strange experiences that I could talk about, that were unclassified. So I came forward and that's where James found me, and we got it all along pretty good, and everything's a history from there.

**Jason Sands** (1:09)
And Logan, you were in the documentary as well, so tell everybody what you do.

**Lenval Logan** (1:12)
So I am a...

**Jason Sands** (1:14)
Pull this up to your face.

**Lenval Logan** (1:15)
I'm sorry.

**Jason Sands** (1:15)
It's okay.

**Lenval Logan** (1:16)
So I'm also a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force. Started off as a B-52 Crew Chief, cross-training to Intel, retired after 21 and a half, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force, and I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people. And from that, James found out about me and said, okay, we need to talk. So him and Leslie Keene approached me, and I was like, yeah. But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton. Everybody was ganging up around me, around him, and he was like, why are you asking me? Logan, work for me. And everybody went, okay, I guess I'm out.

**Jason Sands** (2:04)
Oh, boy. So let's start with you, Jay. What was your first introduction to this whole concept that we are in possession of alien crafts or that we have communicated or there's been some contact? Like, what was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?

**Jason Sands** (2:26)
I had had a childhood experience with a UFO previous to that when I was 10 years old.
So I didn't really get an interest in UFOs at all. I just thought it was strange. It was also a shared experience with my mother.

**Jason Sands** (2:39)
What was the experience?

**Jason Sands** (2:41)
Well, it was just a red orb that came down and looked like it came from the atmosphere at a distance, and then kept approaching my bedroom window and ended up hovering near the bottom of my street. I was screaming to my parents, there's a strange light outside and nobody responded. So I ran out to get my binoculars, my dad's binoculars, and ran out to the front lawn. Finally, my mom was the only one that responded, and we both got to see it taken off as it came across the rooftop of my friend, Eddie's house at the bottom of the street, and that's what she's got to see my mother and I.

**Jason Sands** (3:15)
Did it make any noise?

**Jason Sands** (3:17)
Zero noise. No, it just looked like a total mirror, completely polished mirror kind of oblong kind of a ship or craft.

**Jason Sands** (3:27)
How big was it?

**Jason Sands** (3:28)
It was about 30, 35 foot.

**Jason Sands** (3:31)
Really?

**Jason Sands** (3:31)
Maybe even 40 foot. Yeah, it was about half the size of my friend's rooftop, if you were to measure it from front to back. So, you know, it's pretty big. It was enough for probably you or I to stand up in it and walk around a little bit.

**Jason Sands** (3:45)
And your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?

**Jason Sands** (3:50)
Actually, I've been asked to write a book, so I've got her writing her part of that, and I'll have the same thing. I've had another couple of experiences that my family members and other friends probably write up soon.

**Jason Sands** (4:01)
And so this was all when you were young, and so you had this memory in your head when you started working for the government. But when were you introduced to the whole idea that this is a real thing?

**Jason Sands** (4:14)
Well, I know it's on mission because I just kind of filed away that UFO experience at 10 years old for many years, and I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about, well, maybe it was just something, you know, an aberration in my mind or eyes or something. But anyway, so I got really convinced that this was real when I was at Wright-Patt on a mission, when I was in the program. And we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about an NHI presence in the program, and they were working in labs.