#2244 - Ryan Graves

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Ryan Graves** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:13)
Good to see you again.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:14)
Nice to see you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:15)
What is the latest in the world of Ryan? Other than the fact that you're about to have a child. Congratulations on that.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:24)
Thank you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:25)
But you wanted to talk to me about this drone situation, and I've become very concerned. I don't understand what's going on. I think there's a bunch of different narratives. Some of them are very scary. The scariest one that I've heard is that the drones are looking for gamma radiation because there's a missing nuke.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:44)
Yeah. Let's address that first.

**Joe Rogan** (0:45)
Please.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:46)
So there has been a lot going on. I made a next post about this yesterday to try to assuage some fears.

**Joe Rogan** (0:54)
I saw it, but I purposely didn't read it because I wanted to get it from you.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:58)
Yeah. So, you know, I've had the privilege of interacting with a lot of government organizations over the past few years as I've been digging down this rabbit hole. Law enforcement at a federal level, DOD, executive branch, legislative branch, and some of the folks that I've come in contact with, they specifically work on weapons of mass destruction. So that's their job. So if there's a loose nuke in the United States, among other agencies, they would be some of the people that would be sitting in a skiff for 24 hours a day, trying to figure out where it is and to go get it. So you can imagine that would be their number one priority. So I engage with these folks. I ask them, what's the sense here? People are kind of starting to panic a little bit, and this message is getting out there more and more broadly.
And they assured me that's not the case, that there is not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects, whatever they are, are pursuing right now. Otherwise, they would be working in a skiff nonstop to make that go away, that problem go away. So that's part of why I have a high confidence level that this is not a response to a massive imminent weapons of mass destruction threat on the eastern seaboard. So I just want to try to dispel that rumor right now. I have seen a lot of talk of that online. Although this is, I think, a dangerous and scary situation that is going on right now, at least from that particular angle, that is not the indications I am receiving.

**Joe Rogan** (2:31)
So how would they persuade you just by saying that is not the case? Or have they given you any information that leads to this conclusion?

**SPEAKER_3** (2:42)
They would be the people actively working it, essentially.

**Joe Rogan** (2:45)
And they are not.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:46)
They are not working it, right? So either the government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems, or they are not working the issue, because there is an issue there to work.

**Joe Rogan** (2:58)
So the thing that I had heard was that it was a missing nuke from Ukraine.
And if that was the case, so what could they do? Is there any truth to this idea that we have the type of drone capability that we could send these things out and they would search for gamma radiation and they would be able to find a nuke? Is that...

**SPEAKER_3** (3:23)
So there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies, typically within the Department of Energy. Having potentially hundreds of drones flying around trying to identify these isn't necessarily the best way. Gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons and at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes like we're seeing these objects, it would be pretty difficult to detect them. The way that NIST, DOE typically operates in this environment is ground-based teams searching for radiation itself. So it's not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with. And then based off of that other information, that's what leads me to believe that's not the case.

**Joe Rogan** (4:05)
Well, that makes me feel better because I was freaking out this weekend.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:09)
I think a lot of people were.

**Joe Rogan** (4:10)
Yeah, I got a couple, but it's one of those things, especially in this day and age with social media. There's so many narratives that get spread and retweeted. And, you know, I know a guy who's an insider and he says to get out of the East Coast and, you know, head for Nevada or, you know, there's a lot of that shit going on.