#2231 - Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards

Dan Richards (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

Jimmy Corsetti (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:06)

Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

Gentlemen, Mr. Corsetti, how are you? Sorry, very nice to meet you, by the way.

Dan Richards (0:16)

Nice to meet you too, Joe, thanks for-

Joe Rogan (0:17)

Thank you very much for that video. We talked about it before, but I want to say it publicly. The debunking of the debunking by Flint Dibble. And you really nailed him on so many of those things that he was dishonest about. And it just, I wish we knew in real time, but unfortunately, it takes a lot of research to be able to figure out what he was telling the truth about and what he wasn't.

Dan Richards (0:39)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:40)

You know?

Dan Richards (0:41)

Oh, thank you.

Joe Rogan (0:42)

Tell everybody your site, too.

Dan Richards (0:44)

Oh, DeDunking, DeDunking the Past does my email, DeDunking on YouTube or on Twitter. That's with two D's like my ex. Not debunking, sorry.

Joe Rogan (0:54)

Keep this-

Oh, sorry. That's okay. I'm sorry.

Jimmy Corsetti (0:57)

DeDunking, not debunking. Yes, Dan Richards.

Dan Richards (0:59)

DeDunking, Dan Richards. Thank you. Yeah, the thing with Flint, it was actually funny, the moment that I knew that he was lying about the science was when you asked him about the feralization of plants. That's where they roll back into being no longer domesticated. He was like, oh, it'll just take thousands of years. It's like, no, no, no, no. I've researched this and I know better. And he was just knee jerking, straight answer, oh, just thousands of years. And when you pressed him, he's like, well, I don't know for sure.

Joe Rogan (1:23)

Well, that's a bummer because that's his field of study, which is really kind of crazy. And it's a really fascinating thing that seeds do adapt to agriculture. They adapt to the fact that it's better for the survival of the plant. If one, you develop agriculture, if they're more robust and they stay on the plant, it's better for the wild if they break off easy and they can scatter better and they can proliferate.

Dan Richards (1:45)

Yeah, it's really basic if you think about it. I mean, if it stays on the plant after it's ripe, it's just sitting there waiting for the first thing to come along and eat it.

Joe Rogan (1:54)

But that whole natural selection thing when it comes to plants is so fascinating. But the question was so simple. If you stopped having agriculture and these plants just grew wild, would they go back to the same characteristics of wild plants? And he was like, no, there's no evidence of that. But then I saw your video and then I looked at some other stuff and there's quite a bit of evidence of this, particularly with wild rice, right?

Dan Richards (2:13)

Yes, particularly with wild rice. Yes, that one, it looks like out of any of them, if there's a possibility that one was domesticated and then went back to the wild and then was domesticated again, it would be rice. That shows multiple types. There's different ways the seeds can break off, right? They can break in different points of the plant where they can just fall straight out. And rice shows numerous paths there, where wheat only has one genetic pathway to that seed shatter where the seed falls off. So it gets pretty complicated, but rice does have a lot of genetic possibilities for that. Now I'm not a geneticist, so I'm sure that somebody's going to come and say this is pseudo crap. But ultimately, at the end of the day, Flint was treating it as a debate, whereas you and Graham were both trying to sift to the truth. And that's why he was not going to give Graham one little corner, one little shred of possibility of being right anywhere, when in reality, it's a lot of, just like everything else in life, it's a lot of gray.

Joe Rogan (3:08)

Well, it's also, this whole subject of the past is, it's so obviously confusing, because when you look at, I watched your video today, the Baalbek video, just looking at the enormous size of those stones, there's no reasonable explanation how people, like, what is that dated to? Like, what year do they believe it was made?

Jimmy Corsetti (3:32)

This is where it gets fun, is because they credit it to the Romans and the Phoenicians. However, there's, it goes beyond the sophistication, the capabilities what the Romans were known to have, whether it's the existence of the screwjack for lifting the stones.