#2228 - Josh Dubin

Joe Rogan (0:02)

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SPEAKER_2 (0:06)

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Joe Rogan (0:12)

What's up?

Josh Dubin (0:12)

What's up, man?

Joe Rogan (0:13)

Good to see you.

Josh Dubin (0:15)

Good to see you.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

So, I guess we just get right into it. The last case that we talked about, we had a very unfortunate incident happen after the podcast, about a month later. The gentleman beheaded somebody.

Josh Dubin (0:35)

Allegedly, yes.

Joe Rogan (0:37)

Allegedly. There's a lot of allegedly, but there was so many crazy things that case. The craziest thing was him trying to fool the security cameras with a wig. Like I guess he didn't know how high resolution cameras had gotten over the 25 years that he was in jail.

Josh Dubin (0:54)

I mean, apparently, there's a lot he didn't know. The only reason I say allegedly is because I'd be a bit of a hypocrite if I started calling him guilty before he has a trial, but based on the surveillance...

Joe Rogan (1:10)

It doesn't look good.

Josh Dubin (1:12)

What do they say in Texas? It ain't too shiny.

Joe Rogan (1:17)

It's so crazy because we went out with him that evening. We brought him to the comedy club. He was hanging out with us in the green room, and then the news broke. And then the comics broke. Like, hey, man, what the fuck? What the fuck are you doing bringing that guy around? I'm like, well, we didn't know.

Josh Dubin (1:32)

I mean...

Joe Rogan (1:34)

Who could have known he was going to do that other than him?

Josh Dubin (1:42)

I'm as shocked over it now as I was in the moment. I mean, yeah, I don't...

You know, there are no words. I went through...

It's really not funny. I mean, I'm only laughing out of sort of nervousness, I guess. Of course. I mean, yeah, I was in St. Louis, of all places, which is only memorable because that's where I was when someone called me and said, have you looked at the news? And I said, I was in court and I was on a break. And, you know, I called him a miracle on this show. And the media shoved that straight up my ass.

Joe Rogan (2:26)

I mean, of course, but that's what they're going to do. Well, he was the only guy that you had ever brought in that was actually guilty, that you felt was in jail for too long. You know, he got a 50 year sentence, correct?

Josh Dubin (2:37)

70

Joe Rogan (2:37)

70 And it was reduced to 25?

Josh Dubin (2:40)

It was just basically time served. He did about 30 years and they re-sentenced him. Look, I would be, I've had a lot of time to think about this. And I know you and I have discussed it privately and I kind of went into a hole after this.

My first, this didn't happen to me. A lot of people say, I'm so sorry. Some people have said other things that weren't very nice. But the people that I, you know, regard their opinion were sorry that it didn't happen to me. My first thought was, I had two thoughts, was, that poor guy that got killed. And it was a gruesome murder. You know, it wasn't just beheaded. I think he was dismembered completely.

Joe Rogan (3:32)

Well, he was trying to get rid of the body, right? Allegedly.

Josh Dubin (3:35)

Allegedly. And my first thought was for him and his family. And then, my, I think my second and third thought, maybe in tandem, was this tore down 50 years of work that a lot of people have fought really hard for and really need. And I felt like I let you down.

You know, you've given us an amazing platform. To get stories out for people that really need help. I think we've made a ton of progress. We've got some exonerations as a direct result of this.

Joe Rogan (4:21)

Yeah, you didn't let me down at all. No, I didn't. I appreciate that you felt like that. It didn't feel like that to me at all. It was just, listen, there's a reality of prison life. There's a reality of being incarcerated. There's a reality of taking a person who's convicted of a violent crime and putting them in jail with violent people for 30 years. There's just a reality. And I don't know what history he had with this man that he allegedly killed, but you can only take so much.

Josh Dubin (4:54)

Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know. My first emotion, this is from me and my therapist. My first emotion is usually guilt. So once I took a little bit of time and thought it through, I mean, of course, I come on your show and then you're, you know, splattered all over the news for something not positive.