#2220 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

Francis Foster (0:02)

Joe Rogan Podcast, checking out The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:06)

Shrink by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

SPEAKER_4 (0:12)

Well, I wish there was something to talk about.

Joe Rogan (0:18)

You guys are coming here, I'm like, I love these guys so much. Too bad, there's nothing going on.

Konstantin Kisin (0:22)

Well, I heard you might have needed to cancel on us to get Kamala Harris on.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

I was not going to do that.

I knew you guys flew from England, and I wasn't going to cancel on you because she had an opportunity to come. You could look at this and you could say, oh, you're being a diva. But she had an opportunity to come here when she was in Texas. I literally gave them an open invitation. I said, anytime. I said, if she's done at 10 o'clock, we'll come back here at 10 o'clock. I go, I'll do it at nine in the morning. I'll do it at 10 PM. I'll do it at midnight. She's up. She wants to drink a Red Bull, fucking party on.

Konstantin Kisin (0:57)

Yeah, but I think this idea that you're being a diva is silly because you're asking her, you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did, right?

Joe Rogan (1:05)

Well, she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on. So their camp reached out to me. So I said, great, I would love to talk to her. But it was very difficult to tie it down. And a lot of they wanted to travel. And see, the thing is, like, you can't if I go somewhere, then there's going to be other people in the room.

And they want to control a lot of things, I'm sure, according to the Brett Breyer interview on Fox, like people were waving them off. That's a distraction. People in the room, like, my whole goal with her and with him is just talk, just have a conversation like a human being. You find out things about people. You get a sense of them at least, a real sense. That was it. I don't give a fuck what we talk about. I really don't. I just want to talk to you. Who the fuck are you?

Konstantin Kisin (1:53)

Do you think they think that you're on his side and they're more wary of you?

Joe Rogan (1:57)

I don't know.

Just because of my appearance, there's always been this assumption that I'm some right-wing mager guy. I was a Bernie supporter. I'm a politically homeless person, for sure. I always considered myself a left-wing person. I never thought I would ever vote right-wing. But then the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way. And it just made me, over time, much more aware of what this stuff is really all about. Because what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have. And it overpowers all discussions. It overpowers what's good for the collective group. It overpowers everything. It's just people pick a fucking team and then whatever that team says, they can do no harm. They will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest extreme version of that, whether it's Antifa or the Proud Boys. They'll minimalize the... It's the same thing, man. It's the same thing. If you look at what's going on with the liberals right now. So progressives are, they want the war in Ukraine to be funded. They want to censor speech on line. And they want to give the World Health Organization, which is deeply influenced by Big Pharma, including the FDA, deeply influenced. The revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies is legendary. And they want to give them control over what we take and what we don't take. That's crazy. And that doesn't make sense because that's not what the liberals were when I was a kid. My parents were hippies.

You know, we lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam War. My parents were like straight up hippies. That's how I was raised. And so for me, it was always like the liberals were the ones who wanted education and open-mindedness. The liberals who were the ones with the ACLU, let the Nazis talk and let them have a rally. They said you can't infringe on people's free speech because if you infringe on the speech of people that you disagree with, you're being a fucking hypocrite. The only solution to bad speech is better speech. We've always known that. But when they had the power over social media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology, and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective that you should have as an educated person that recognizes that everyone has to be able to talk and we have to figure out who's right. And you might be wrong. You might be wrong and you might be clinging to this idea that you're right and you're going to do the whole thing a terrible disservice.