#2184 - Sara Imari Walker

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

Sara Imari Walker (3:10)

Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (3:17)

So your subject matter is so fascinating to me. So first, please explain what this idea of assembly theory.

Sara Imari Walker (3:28)

Yeah. Assembly theory is born out of an interest in solving the origin of life and finding aliens. So that's sort of the motivation I think is really important to be clear about that to start because it introduces some kind of radical reconceptions of the way we think about fundamental physics, at least I think so. But the key idea of the theory is that the universe cannot generate complexity outside of living processes. And so we have a way of formalizing what seems kind of intuitively obvious that the universe doesn't generate complex objects for free. And we do this with this idea of assembly theory, of thinking about the assembly space, which is like the space of all constructible objects. And you can talk about the complexity on that space as a minimal number of steps for making an object. And if you see objects that require a lot of steps to make them and they're in high abundance, life is the only thing that can make them.

Joe Rogan (4:21)

Wow. So this includes plant life, this includes everything, everything on your table.

Sara Imari Walker (4:31)

Requires billions of years of evolution, evolution of intelligence and technology to generate.

Joe Rogan (4:38)

So when you say life to generate, what about like crystals? And what about, have you ever seen that enormous cave in Mexico where they have these insane crystal structures?