#2173 - Jimmy Dore

Joe Rogan (0:12)

What killed RFK.? What?

Jimmy Dore (0:13)

His Zionism. You know, if he didn't have that, he...

I think he could be president, but...

Joe Rogan (0:19)

You mean RFK. Jr.?

Jimmy Dore (0:21)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:21)

Oh.

Jimmy Dore (0:21)

I was confused. I meant figuratively.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

I was like, how does this have anything to do with the boycott of Starbucks and McDonald's and Sirhan Sirhan? Like, what?

Some rabbit hole shit I didn't know about? Is that possible?

Jimmy Dore (0:33)

You know, Sirhan Sirhan, his house was in Pasadena, which was close to where I used to live.

Joe Rogan (0:38)

Really?

Jimmy Dore (0:40)

One day, my wife was like, yeah, Sirhan Sirhan lives over here. I'm like, get out of here. I didn't know.

Joe Rogan (0:44)

Have you ever read into the MK Ultra connection between Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby and Jolly West?

Jimmy Dore (0:51)

So, no, I haven't, but now I'm working with Kurt Metzger, and he knows all that shit.

Joe Rogan (0:57)

He knows too much.

Jimmy Dore (0:58)

He knows. I'm like, he can just go on.

Joe Rogan (1:00)

You've ruined him. You've ruined him.

Because he didn't, I don't think he's aware of so many legitimate actual conspiracies, meaning like where governments and corporations conspire against the American people, lie, twist facts, distort things. But Kurt is one of those guys that once he finds out something, you know, because he had to grew up in a cult, right? So he's in a Jehovah's Witness cult when he was young. Sorry, Jehovah's Witnesses.

But and then becomes a comedian and, you know, like he's so averse to bullshit. He's like, Oh, no, because like you fucking ruined my childhood. I know what this is. I've seen this before. I've seen this in another form. I know what this is.

Jimmy Dore (1:40)

Yeah, that's that's his like superpower because he's been through it.

Joe Rogan (1:43)

You ruined him.

His show. You ruined him. He's so he's so crazy. He's so mad.

Jimmy Dore (1:50)

You see him get upset on the show. He gets legit angry.

Joe Rogan (1:53)

Here it is, other controversial cases West was assigned to, including evaluating Sir Han Sir Han, who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy, excuse me, at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles June 5th, 1968 West claims Sir Han was a subject of psychic driving, a mind altering technique involving hypnosis or paralytic drugs. Psychiatrists often use barbiturates for this. Settle the fuck down. You used acid.

Stop lying. What is this? Oh, maybe possibly barbiturates or something legal.

No, they were using acid.

Jimmy Dore (2:24)

Who's this West guy?

Joe Rogan (2:25)

Jolly West was the head of MK Ultra. Oh, no kidding. He was the guy that they chronicle extensively in Thomas O'Neill's book Chaos about the Manson case.

Jimmy Dore (2:34)

Oh, so yeah, my wife is reading that right now.

Joe Rogan (2:37)

God damn, that's a good book.

Jimmy Dore (2:38)

She has it in an audiobook, so I walk through the house and I'll hear like, what the fuck?

Joe Rogan (2:42)

You know how crazy that book is? Tom was Greg Fitzsimmons' roommate in New York, and then also, not roommate, excuse me, neighbor, he was his neighbor in New York, and then also his neighbor in Venice, California. So they were like near each other. For 20 years, this guy's been working on this. He started working on it as an article, right? So he writes it as an article, but then once he starts getting into the information, it's so extensive, it's so crazy that he can't finish the article because the article is just an anniversary of the Manson assassinations, the Manson killings.

So then, 20 years later, he finally puts out this book, and he's got enough information for another fucking book, and it's wild. It's all a CIA plot. The Manson family was all, Manson was visited in prison by Jolly West. They trained him, allegedly, in hypnosis techniques using LSD, how to mind control people. He would not do the acid, but he would give the acid to the people, which is something also that apparently the MK Ultra people trained him, and he would get them to commit evil acts. And the whole thing was to discredit the anti-war movement.

That's the whole thing, was the hippies.

Jimmy Dore (3:57)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:58)

Yeah, so they turned hippies into something fucking terrifying. So hippies used to be like, oh, she's a flower child.

Oh, they're peace and love, you know, cute, nice stuff. But then they turned hippies into fucking psychotic murderers who cut babies out of movie stars' bellies and paint on the wall, pig, you know, that kind of shit.