#2142 - Christopher Dunn

SPEAKER_2 (0:06)

Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:13)

Thanks for doing this, sir. I appreciate it.

Christopher Dunn (0:15)

Oh, you're welcome.

Joe Rogan (0:16)

I've enjoyed many of your videos online, so I'm fascinated by these theories that you have. And so I'm excited. I'm excited that you're here. Could you please, first of all, could you just tell everybody what your background is?

Like, what did you start off doing professionally?

Christopher Dunn (0:34)

I started as an apprentice in a engineering company in Manchester, England, and worked through the apprenticeship, received my journeyman papers, worked for a couple more years in England, and then I was recruited by an aerospace company in America and emigrated to America.

Joe Rogan (0:59)

And what did you do for this aerospace company?

Christopher Dunn (1:01)

Well, I started out as a lathe turner. That was my specialty.

Joe Rogan (1:05)

A what?

Christopher Dunn (1:06)

A lathe turner.

Joe Rogan (1:07)

A lathe turner.

Christopher Dunn (1:08)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:08)

Yeah.

Christopher Dunn (1:09)

Right. So I was a lathe hand, right? So I operated, you know, horizontal lathes, vertical lathes.

In England, you know, they had what they call them vertical boring mills. And in the States, you have to learn a different language right there. They have the cultural differences between, right? So you pick up different terminologies for things. Like they call over here, they call it a vertical turret lathe.

In England, they call it a vertical boring mill.

Joe Rogan (1:44)

And so you're working with machines and when did you come up with this theory about the pyramid?

Christopher Dunn (1:53)

Well, actually, I had been in the States for a while. I came over in 1969 and in 1977, I picked up Peter Tompkins' book, Secrets of the Great Pyramid, and I started to examine that book. And one of the things that Tompkins, he asked a very significant question in that book and he said, does the Great Pyramid entrain a lost science? Is the Great Pyramid a product of that science? Does it reflect that science? And I took that question very seriously and that question was in my mind as I read through the book. And then I started to explore some of the references that he provided in the bibliography. One of them was the work of William Flinders Petrie.

And he described lathes being used in Ancient Egypt. He described very large coring drills up to 18 inches in diameter.

And he also claimed that they were using circular saws.

Joe Rogan (3:14)

When he's describing this, what kind of metal would they be using?

Christopher Dunn (3:18)

Well, that's the thing. The question really demands that you explore all methods.

But you are able to, when you satisfy the historical record, say the archaeological record, and you say, okay, I'm going to try this. Well, that's not going to work. That won't work. So we'll try this. We'll keep improving our methods and tools until we arrive at a solution to explaining the artifact. That was the, that's the important thing. That's basically the demands on a manufacturing engineer, which I eventually became. So, you know, if a customer comes in, and they bring a part to the company and says, I want you to make one just like this, what does the, what do we do? Well, we have to know what this is. And to do that, you take measurements, you determine materials, how it was manufactured. You look for tool marks to see what processes may have been involved in it, whether there were dyes, whether there's machining marks in areas.

You look at the welds. Did they weld some parts? Did they braze other parts? And then, of course, the geometries.

And basically, that's your model. That's like, okay, I've got to make something just like this.

Joe Rogan (5:00)

Right, but when you're making some, if you're looking at, say, some of the stone work that was done in the pyramid, where there's, not in the pyramid, but in some of the quarries, where you see these core drill holes, like how would you reverse engineer that? How would you figure out what could possibly do that?

Christopher Dunn (5:20)

Well, that's the interesting question.

And it's one that's been a huge debate going on about that. And it really goes back to 1984 And I had published an article called Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt? Question mark. And it was published in Analog Science Fiction, Science Fact Magazine in August of 1984

Joe Rogan (5:51)

So you've been at this a long time.

Christopher Dunn (5:53)

It's not before you were born.

Joe Rogan (5:56)