#2141 - Bart Sibrel

Joe Rogan (0:15)

Good to see you, man.

Bart Sibrel (0:16)

Thank you.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

We first met, well, it was like at least 20 years ago, right?

Bart Sibrel (0:20)

22 years ago.

Joe Rogan (0:21)

Was it 22? Wow.

So I had seen your movie, and I don't even remember how I got in touch with you, because this is before my podcast. I don't even know.

Bart Sibrel (0:31)

You emailed me.

Joe Rogan (0:32)

OK. So did I email you off your website? Is that what it was?

Bart Sibrel (0:35)

I think so. And then you said, if you're ever in LA, let's meet. And I happened to be in LA when you sent me the email.

Joe Rogan (0:42)

Synchronicity.

Bart Sibrel (0:43)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (0:43)

Yeah. So let's take everybody on this journey with you. So you were a young man. You were fascinated by NASA. You were a NASA fan. And you had NASA photos on the wall of your room.

What happened? What happened to you that you're essentially you're known worldwide as the leading proponent of the moon hoax theory. You're the guy who's researched it the most. You're the guy who can auto recall the most information. And you're the guy that the people that believe the moon landing was real hate the most.

So how did this all happen?

Bart Sibrel (1:27)

Well, let me start by saying a comment about what you said. Theory. You know, it's not a theory.

They did fake the moon landing. That's a fact, whether people realize it or not.

Joe Rogan (1:40)

OK, but we weren't there. So let's just go on what we know in terms of facts. And I'm going to call it a theory.

OK, I'm just trying to I'm going to have to steel man some of the arguments against you. You know, obviously, I mean, this is a fascinating but yet very challenging subject. I think today more people are aware of the insanely widespread deception that the government was involved in during the same time as the moon landing. I think this is important, and I know a lot of people who get very angry when you question the moon landing. They use terms like patriotism, national pride, like we did this incredible thing, the scientists that we have. I understand what they're saying. I understand where they're coming from entirely. But we have to look at things realistically if we're ever going to get an accurate picture of how the world works.

And I think if we look at the time that we're talking about, the Nixon administration, we talk about the Gulf of Tonkin incident where they got us into Vietnam, where there was a bullshit flag that wound up killing how many people? Was like a million people dead because of that?

Bart Sibrel (3:01)

Three million people, including 58,220 Americans.

Joe Rogan (3:05)

Okay, there's that. There's Operation Northwoods during the same time period. Operation Northwoods was a plan that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, where they were going to initiate flags to try to get us into a war with Cuba. They were going to blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.

So there's the Bay of Pigs, there's all these things. There's the Kennedy assassination itself, which they still won't release the files.

There's the moon landing. And the moon landing. And then there's Nixon, getting Nixon removed from the White House, which I didn't know was a giant government operation, too. Tucker Carlson laid that all out and I was like, what? And then I read a bunch about it, what he's saying is totally true.

This one's the one that people hold on to the most because it's a source of national pride and it is also like the accomplishments of NASA, the accomplishments of the scientific community, accomplishments of these people that are able to make things like the stealth bomber and all the wild shit that we know that is absolutely real, the space shuttle, SpaceX, all of the amazing engineers and scientists. It seems to a lot of people that by calling the moon landing fake, you're discounting that work, you're discounting that amazing accomplishment from humans. What I want people to do is to say, what did they tell the truth about? If this is the one thing that you're willing to hang your hat on, because I know they lie about everything. They lied about everything. They lied about MKUltra. They were dosing up Johns and brothels with acid and monitoring them. They dosed up Charles Manson. They probably trained him how to be a cult leader in prison. The whole MKUltra thing is 100% legit, verified. There's plenty of documents on it.