#2140 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

Konstantin Kisin (0:09)

Oh, my British friends.

Joe Rogan (0:13)

What the fuck's happening? Good to see you guys.

Konstantin Kisin (0:15)

Good to be back, man.

Joe Rogan (0:16)

It's, uh... The world just... I always hope that next time we see each other, things will calm down.

We're not freaking out and filled with existential crisis and doom.

Konstantin Kisin (0:29)

It's kind of weird, right? Like life is good, but the world's on fire.

Joe Rogan (0:33)

Uh-huh. I think that's one of the reasons why life is good. It's a fucked up thought, but I really believe that we only appreciate true, like, uh, camaraderie and community and friendship, if there's like a real feeling of possible doom.

Like, hovering in the air, and the times where you could just be together, have a drink with friends and hug each other. That's when it really feels good. Like, when, when, when things are too easy, I think people find more problems and get filled with more anxiety. But when there's real fear, then you could look at your friends like, I love you, man.

It's like we could die tonight. It could be all over.

Konstantin Kisin (1:16)

Yeah. No one's talking about the trans debate in Afghanistan.

Joe Rogan (1:20)

100%. Yeah, 100%.

Konstantin Kisin (1:22)

They've solved that.

Joe Rogan (1:23)

They're really not interested in drag queen story hour.

They'll just fucking shoot you and throw you in a burn pit. Like, shut up.

Konstantin Kisin (1:34)

No, it is. It's so interesting. Like it's, schools are like that. If you go into a really nice school with really nice kids, the teachers hate each other. They're all there going, can you believe what he said about her and she said about him?

You know what they're doing in their lesson. They're not following the syllabus. When you work in a shit storm where every time you walk into the building, you're like, it's not on fire.

You know what? You've got more friends than ever in the staff room because you have to be together.

Joe Rogan (2:00)

Yeah, I think that's a real issue with human beings.

I think we're just so hardwired to be prepared for tribal conflict, predators attacking. I think it's just inescapable in the very fiber of our core. Like, whatever it is, whatever our DNA is, whatever epigenetic memory, whatever the fuck is in our system, it just seems to expect horrible things happening, and if they're not, they find mundane things to be horrible. Microaggressions.

The dumbest shit to be upset with. Because you don't have real shit to be upset with.

One of the things with microaggressions and a lot of those things is people find value, like perceived value in being a victim of something. And so they start pushing and they realize, I'm getting results by pushing it. We were talking earlier about people that kind of create fake narratives because they see a grift, they see a business to get into. It's not really their opinion and how annoying those people are to talk to. That's what that is. It's like you're not really upset. You just know that you can say you're upset and then people go, oh, I'm sorry you're upset. And then all of a sudden we have this little scenario where you're the highlight. You're getting focused on you.

Konstantin Kisin (3:15)

And online, it's not just all you're upset. It's like you're upset. Here's a million dollars and 10 billion clicks on your video.

So the incentive structures are pushing this. And you see it, I think, happening across the political spectrum now, where people are really going heavy on the victimhood. Like we are oppressed. There's a conspiracy against me, etc. And it gets rewarded.

Joe Rogan (3:35)

One hundred percent. And it's a weakness and it's a sign of a society that has not really experienced too much conflict on its actual soil.

Our conflict is all self-created. Our conflict is all crime in our own communities.

Our conflict is all defund the police. Our conflict is, you know, whatever. There's not real this shit that's happening in Ukraine right now or the shit that's happening in Israel right now. That's real conflict.

And when you don't have real conflict, you find conflict, unfortunately.

Konstantin Kisin (4:04)

Yeah, it's kind of the way we're programmed. We're programmed to want to search for conflict, look for conflict, engage in conflict.

And it's always a way, just to take it back to the start-from point, I found it so interesting on a psychological level that people would bicker about the smallest of things and they would blow it up into this big thing because it was easy to teach. You had an easy job, comparatively speaking. You're not going to get that upset about a microaggression when someone's about to throw a chair at your head because you're dealing with an aggression aggression.