#2130 - Coleman Hughes

Joe Rogan (0:13)

What's up, Coleman?

Coleman Hughes (0:14)

Good to see you. Good to see you again.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

What's cracking?

Coleman Hughes (0:16)

Well, I'm good. You're great.

Joe Rogan (0:18)

You got a new book.

Coleman Hughes (0:19)

Got a new book, End of Race Politics, Arguments for a Colorblind America.

Joe Rogan (0:25)

Yeah, I saw you on The View.

Coleman Hughes (0:27)

Yeah, so that's been overwhelming my past couple of days.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

Yeah, is that annoying?

Coleman Hughes (0:32)

No.

Joe Rogan (0:32)

No?

Coleman Hughes (0:32)

No, no. I mean, it's just when I was on there, I really had no idea how it was going to land with the audience.

So I just went in there, did my thing. I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know who Sunny Hostin was. I actually still really don't know. So I wasn't expecting necessarily for her to kind of try to ambush me in that way and attack my character in that way.

And I responded to it in the moment as I do. And I didn't expect it to go as viral as it did. But I think it arguably went more viral than anything I've ever done. It's hard for me to totally tell. But I just had people messaging me almost nonstop for like four days afterwards.

Joe Rogan (1:13)

Well, it is the show that people love to hate.

Coleman Hughes (1:15)

Yes, that's true.

Joe Rogan (1:17)

They get so much hate watching and hate watching viral clips of them saying ridiculous things. I mean, it is a rabies-infested henhouse.

Coleman Hughes (1:29)

At the same time, it seemed like the most interesting part was their audience seemed to be on my side.

Joe Rogan (1:34)

Yes, yes.

Coleman Hughes (1:35)

That's their audience.

Joe Rogan (1:36)

Yes. Well, their audience is not really their audience. Their audience is a group of people they bring in to watch television shows. I don't know if you've ever seen audiences before for TV shows, but a lot of them are paid. They're paid to be there because they have to guarantee that there's going to be people there. So there's services that you hire.

When a show gets really, really popular, like Letterman or something like that, obviously, it has its own fan base. Those people will try to get tickets before anybody else does. In that case, they probably don't need to use a service anymore. They just get actual fans.

But arguably, the fans, the real fans of The View that are like, oh, these ladies are on point. Most of those people can't leave the house. They're probably immobile.

Coleman Hughes (2:23)

Right. Because their mom's taking their kids to school.

Joe Rogan (2:28)

It's a very strange show, but it's fun to watch. It's just fun to watch them.

Coleman Hughes (2:33)

It's good entertainment.

Joe Rogan (2:34)

Yeah.

Coleman Hughes (2:35)

Undoubtedly.

Joe Rogan (2:36)

Well, it's interesting because I think Sunny is very intelligent, but she's ideologically captured. Right. I think there's a couple of the other ones, I don't have to name any names, who are just very dull minded.

But I think Sunny is not one of them. I think she's smart, but captured.

Coleman Hughes (2:53)

Sure. I think she came into it with an agenda.

Joe Rogan (2:55)

Of course. They do everything with an agenda.

Coleman Hughes (2:58)

Yeah. She came into it, it seems, really wanting to paint me as someone that has been co-opted by the right wing.

Joe Rogan (3:06)

Yeah.

Coleman Hughes (3:07)

And I don't know how much research she had done into me. She claimed to have read my book twice, which is almost certainly not true.

Joe Rogan (3:14)

Yeah.

Coleman Hughes (3:15)

Because she was totally mis-summarizing.

Joe Rogan (3:17)

When did the book come out?

Coleman Hughes (3:19)

February.

Joe Rogan (3:21)

The odds are very low.

Coleman Hughes (3:22)

Very low, right? Yeah, very low. Think of how many guests they have on their show, how much time she has.

Joe Rogan (3:27)

Family obligations, what is it, about 250 pages?

Coleman Hughes (3:31)

Something like that, yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:32)

I don't think so.

Coleman Hughes (3:33)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:34)

But I mean, I might be wrong. I mean, do you have an audiobook available?

Coleman Hughes (3:37)

I do, yeah, I read it myself.

Joe Rogan (3:38)

Maybe she did it at double speed.

Coleman Hughes (3:40)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:41)

Twice.

Coleman Hughes (3:41)

So I sounded like Ben Shapiro the whole time. Have you ever listened to Ben Shapiro on like 1.5 times?

Joe Rogan (3:48)

No, it's kind of ridiculous.