#2067 - Dave Smith

Joe Rogan (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Dave Smith (0:14)

Hello, Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

Good to see you, my friend.

Dave Smith (0:16)

You too, always good to be here.

Joe Rogan (0:19)

You have an air of seriousness about you, like you prepared yourself for this conversation.

We've been fucking around all night last night, having a good time. Good time.

Dave Smith (0:29)

Now I have to transition.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

Now you, like, there was an immediate shift. I can see you're like.

Dave Smith (0:34)

All right.

Joe Rogan (0:35)

Here it is.

Dave Smith (0:35)

Well, you know.

Joe Rogan (0:36)

There's a lot of shit going on.

Dave Smith (0:37)

Well, we got a brand new war to end. So it's, you know, gotta be a, so what, when I first started coming on your podcast, what was, I just measured in how many wars ago that was. What was that? How many wars ago was that?

Joe Rogan (0:49)

We were still in Afghanistan back then, so we did get out of one.

Dave Smith (0:52)

We did get out of one.

Joe Rogan (0:53)

Sorta.

Dave Smith (0:54)

We did it in flawless fashion.

But that's, but yeah, no, that is true. We did end one, and then I think we took like a two week break before we got into Ukraine. And then, and now, now there's, this one is pretty serious. And there's a big possibility of like a wider war being started, so pretty bad. Not great.

Joe Rogan (1:18)

No, not great. It scares the shit out of me. I've brought it up many times, but when I really get anxiety, it's like late at night when I'm alone, and I think about the world like that at any moment, it could just go haywire. Like think about October 7th, right? It happens out of nowhere. One day, everything changes, right?

That can happen anywhere. That can happen right here.

And people thinking that it can't, and then people that are just not even inquisitive about anything that interferes with their narrative. Not even thinking, okay, what is the big picture here? What is actually going on? I know this side says one thing, and the other side says another thing. So someone's gotta be wrong. So what is happening? Either Israel is evil, or Hamas is totally evil.

It can't be, there's a lot going on, right?

Dave Smith (2:21)

For sure.

Joe Rogan (2:22)

There's a lot going on.

But this binary thinking that everybody has in our culture today, where people, we automatically subscribe to whatever one side thinks. If you're on the right, you automatically subscribe to whatever the right wing people think. If you're on the left, you automatically subscribe to whatever the left wing people think. Which wars are we supporting? And they're different sides are supporting different wars, which is very strange, right?

Dave Smith (2:46)

Yeah, it's it's bizarre. Like it's binary thinking that people just fall into. But war is the worst of it. A war makes people so stupid. I mean, it's like the way they talk about these things, like you said, it's like the side of pure good versus the side of pure bad. It's like a seven year old boy playing with action figures. Like this is good guy, this is bad guy. And reality is almost never anything like that. It's always enormously more complex than that.

And I think that's, you know, that's the truth with the history of Israel and Palestine is that it's not. And I'm Jewish, so like I grew up very much just only hearing the Israeli side of the story.

And it's basically, you can still get this in a Ben Shapiro video, you know, millions of people watch, but it really will. Their story is just kind of like, the Jews came here and we just said, hey, we want to be independent. And then in response to that, all the Arab nations attacked us. And then we just keep offering you peace and they just keep saying no. And they just want, you know, we just want to live in peace and they just want to kill Jews. And that's the story.

And there's nothing else that you need to know that's relevant here. But that's just so not true. There's so much more to it than that. And if you're going to, if you're going to tell this story and you want to zoom out and really understand what's going on here, it's just, if you're going to ignore the fact that the creation of Israel involved kicking a whole lot of people out of where they were living at the time, and had been living for hundreds of years, 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were were kicked out of their land.