#2032 - BJ Penn & Tulsi Gabbard

B.J. Penn (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:14)

The Fight Companion's fun.

B.J. Penn (0:16)

It is.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

Have a little whiskey, watch the fights, talk a little shit. Eddie Bravo brings up some crazy conspiracies. Every time. This time, Eddie's out, so Sam Tripoli's in.

He's even more deep into the world of conspiracy. And he's hilarious. That would be fun.

B.J. Penn (0:33)

Conspiracy theory is the code name for spoiler alert.

Joe Rogan (0:39)

Well, it was invented, the term conspiracy theories was invented after they conspired to kill the president.

That's when conspiracy. I didn't know that. Yeah, conspiracy theory, the term conspiracy theory started getting thrown around right around the time that Kennedy got assassinated. And it was directly because there were so many people that had all these theories. There was all these stories, stories about the shots from the grassy knoll. And until Dick Gregory went on the Geraldo Rivera show, which I think was 11 years later. What year was it that Dick Gregory went on Geraldo Rivera and showed the Zapruder footage?

Many years later, at least eight years later. After the assassination.

B.J. Penn (1:25)

What, the Zapruder film came late, right?

SPEAKER_1 (1:28)

But it was a different assassination attempt.

Joe Rogan (1:31)

Oh, it was another assassination attempt. Garfield, interesting, interesting. In 1881, interesting.

SPEAKER_1 (1:39)

Listed on a piece of paper.

B.J. Penn (1:40)

Old conspiracy theorist.

Joe Rogan (1:42)

Interesting.

B.J. Penn (1:43)

When did the Zapruder film come out?

Joe Rogan (1:45)

So they had the Zapruder film. I think his name was Abraham Zapruder. He was at the scene, and he was filming the president as he was driving down. And as he was driving down, he caught the shots. He caught the shot to the neck, and he sees Kennedy holding his neck, and then he sees the head go back and to the left. So 1975, okay.

Think about that. The assassination was 63

So 75

B.J. Penn (2:13)

What was in 63?

Joe Rogan (2:16)

63, Kennedy was assassinated.

B.J. Penn (2:17)

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's a proof. Like this was the-

Joe Rogan (2:20)

But the third film was released by Dick Greger, who is a standup comedian.

Dick Greger, he brought it to the Geraldo Rivera show with this other gentleman, and then they played it for America. And the whole country got to see Kennedy's head go back and to the left, and this spray of blood. And everybody's like, wait, what? What happened? What happened?

Tulsi Gabbard (2:42)

Did they ever say why it took so long?

B.J. Penn (2:44)

Because it's fake, no.

Joe Rogan (2:46)

Because it was owned.

B.J. Penn (2:47)

Something's going on.

Joe Rogan (2:47)

No, no, no, it was owned by Life. So I believe what happened was Zapruder sold it to Life.

Life had it and they wouldn't release it. So either they thought it was too disturbing or.

Tulsi Gabbard (3:01)

Maybe they were told not to.

Joe Rogan (3:04)

We also have to remember that back then, there was no VCRs. Like it's very hard to watch something like this. You'd have to have one of those real to real cameras that you could set up and watch. I mean, nobody watched films at home. You watched what was on television back then.

So when they played that, this was monumental. This is not. And then you had to be there to see it. You couldn't just pause it. You couldn't rewind it. There was none of that.

B.J. Penn (3:29)

There was no DVR.

Joe Rogan (3:31)

And you couldn't tell your friends on social media. You had to like go to work the next day and go, did you see that Geraldo Rivera? But just by the way, I think it was on late at night too.

SPEAKER_1 (3:40)

Um, I think it actually says good morning or good night.

Joe Rogan (3:44)

Hold on.

SPEAKER_1 (3:44)

I think it's on late.

Joe Rogan (3:47)

I think it was a late night show.

B.J. Penn (3:49)

Is that what blew Geraldo up?

Joe Rogan (3:52)

No, Geraldo was already doing well. He was already an established journalist, which is why he was the host of that show.

And I think it was late at night, so fucking nobody was watching. You know, like a small amount of people watching. And then, you know, they play this, they see it once, they go, what the fuck did I just see? And then it takes forever for books to come out. And now we got Tucker Carlson on Fox News saying the CIA killed Kennedy. And you're like, what did he just say?