1KHO 946: How Ordinary People Develop Remarkable Techniques for Weathering Crises | Dr. Raj Panjabi, Safer

Ginny Yurich (0:00)

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My name is Ginny Yurich, the founder of 1000 Hours Outside. And what an absolute honor to have the opportunity to talk to Dr. Raj Panjabi. This is a book about these uncertain times that we live in. And it's a book about, it's a playbook. The format of it is really interesting, walking you through how to turn fear into action and crisis into community. Raj, welcome to you and huge congratulations on this new book.

Dr. Raj Panjabi (2:18)

It's great to be on with you, Ginny. Thank you.

Ginny Yurich (2:20)

So this is a time that we're living in that is filled with uncertainty and crisis. You also grew up, your childhood story is one that was filled with uncertainty and crisis. Can you talk about when you decided to write a book like this, to help people to deal with all of these feelings during these shaky times?

Dr. Raj Panjabi (2:39)

Well, I wanted to write this right after leaving the White House, where I worked in the Situation Room for several years during the pandemic. But in many ways, the question that's at the heart of the book has trailed me since I was a child, having fled a civil war in West Africa and arriving here as a refugee when I was nine years old. And that question, Ginny, is when the people and the systems we depend on can no longer keep us safe, what can we do for one another?

And that's been the question that's trailed me from being a child refugee to being a physician over many years, to becoming a national security official at the Situation Room, and then of course, back into my own living room, because I've, like many people, experienced illness in my family, and including with my children. And so I felt like this was the right time to focus on that question. I really was curious in the Situation Room, in the Emergency Room, in the Boardroom. We have playbooks for navigating uncertainty, but when it came to our own living room, my parents didn't have one for the way in which our life was upended during the Civil War in Liberia, or as immigrants here in America. And I certainly didn't have one when my own child fell sick. And so I wanted to write one that was, you know, explore that question from a very, you know, everyday perspective. How does it deal with our, help us navigate our everyday crises and uncertainty that we face?

Ginny Yurich (4:19)

I like that format so much. You talk about how that, depending on where you were at, you would get a playbook and it would often be long. 500 pages for this particular place that you're at, different places that you go, you know, a huge binder. And you wrote that this, the playbook concept, it provides value. It provides value if you're trying to address crisis, if you're an entrepreneur. And so that is the format that you created this book in. The book is called Safer.