#1966 - Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir

Joe Rogan (0:16)

I've been watching this doc, I've got a bit about the place that I used, that I bought before I bought The Mothership, because it's about a place that was owned by a cult, so I've been watching the documentary on the cult, it's called Holy Hell. It's so fucking crazy, I've been watching it, I've watched it three or four times to try to like find the angles for the bit, because the guy who ran it was a gay porn star who was also a hypnotist.

Big Jay Oakerson (0:40)

It's such a powerful combination.

Joe Rogan (0:42)

All he wore was Speedos and eyeliner, and this dude ran this cult for 20 fucking years, and they kicked him out and sent him to Hawaii, and now he's running in Hawaii. At the end of the documentary, the guy goes to visit the guy in Hawaii, now he's old and fucked up looking, he's had a bunch of plastic surgery, like fake cheeks and his lips are done and everything. He looks like a monster, and he's still got these people falling around and open the doors for him, and he sits down and he talks like a guru.

Complete con artist.

Big Jay Oakerson (1:11)

Did they show you his porns?

Joe Rogan (1:12)

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson (1:13)

How was he?

Joe Rogan (1:14)

Oh yeah, they just block out where the dick is going in the ass. He's pounding this guy from behind, and then he's doing like a pushup, he's doing like a plank, and this guy is underneath him, and the guy's holding on to his hips, and he's just mouth fucking this guy while his legs are completely suspended in the air.

Big Jay Oakerson (1:33)

Oh, he's just, okay, doing workouts.

Joe Rogan (1:35)

Yeah, he's basically doing a workout. So he's got like in a pushup position like this, and both of his legs are up there like that, pointed, and he's going like this and just humping this guy's mouth.

I mean, this is something that the cult members had found out while he was, you know, that's him. But see, when he got older, he started looking creepy. You gotta realize, this guy started this cult in 1981 He was an extra in Rosemary's Baby.

Big Jay Oakerson (2:01)

Really?

Joe Rogan (2:01)

Yeah, that was like his claim to fame. He was just a bad actor.

Big Jay Oakerson (2:03)

So he's got some young bucks with him.

Joe Rogan (2:05)

Oh, he had all young bucks, and young, beautiful women, too. Like that's how he attracted the heterosexual men. He had a bunch of young, beautiful women, but he told them never to have relationships together, and then he fucked all the guys.

Ari Shaffir (2:16)

The move with the NXIVM guy did exist.

You can get a really good cult going, but everyone's not gonna get the... Even Charles Manson, they always made it out to these young, pretty hippie girls. When you see the pictures, they're all pretty rough.

Joe Rogan (2:31)

The Manson ones?

Ari Shaffir (2:32)

Yeah, and then the NXIVM cult, it's the same thing. It's like they tell you all the people that were involved, except for one girl, most of them were pretty homely, so you're like, yeah, I guess if your cult leader status is to bang a bunch of their okays.

Joe Rogan (2:48)

Well, this is like headshots after they've left the cult and realized it was over.

Ari Shaffir (2:52)

That girl's the actress.

Big Jay Oakerson (2:53)

She's the actress? The bottom left one?

Ari Shaffir (2:54)

Yeah, she's the prettiest.

Big Jay Oakerson (2:56)

I recognize her. But she's like secretary.

Ari Shaffir (2:58)

Yes, she was, yes, exactly. I think she got out of fucking him because she would recruit the girls and brand them and stuff.

Joe Rogan (3:06)

That girl's pretty, that girl's pretty.

Ari Shaffir (3:07)

That's, whatchamacallit's daughter.

Joe Rogan (3:09)

Who?

Ari Shaffir (3:10)

She got involved too.

Big Jay Oakerson (3:12)

She's not that pretty?

Ari Shaffir (3:12)

Oh, she's an actress. She was an actress in those old Falcon Crest type shows.

Joe Rogan (3:17)

Falcon Crest, oh my god. Could you imagine being trapped on one of those shows where you gotta get a paycheck every week and the paycheck is wonderful.

Big Jay Oakerson (3:27)

Oh, dynasty of the late.

Joe Rogan (3:28)

You're probably making like 100 grand a week.

Ari Shaffir (3:31)

Catherine Oxenberg's daughter.

Joe Rogan (3:32)

So you're not gonna leave.

Big Jay Oakerson (3:33)

You're not gonna leave. And you're like, this sucks, I didn't get an acting to do this.

Joe Rogan (3:37)