#1955 - Cliff Gray

Jamie (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Cliff Gray (0:14)

What's up, man?

Joe Rogan (0:15)

Nice to meet you, in person.

Cliff Gray (0:16)

You too.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

We've been chatting back and forth online for quite a while now.

Cliff Gray (0:20)

Yeah, man. You know, it's funny, I was looking at it, I think it's been like five or six years since our first interaction.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

How did you get involved being a hunting guide? What was your, what's your path to that?

Cliff Gray (0:33)

Yeah, man. So it's a I guess it's a long story. You know, I I grew up in a rural area. My dad, my dad was a cattle rancher, and then he did a little outfitting when I was a kid. And then it was kind of a long story, man, because I thought this was normal when I was a kid. But when I was when my dad was an adult, he was a cattle rancher. And then he went back to vet school. And so he actually left outfitting and cattle ranching and pursued that. And that was when he was like in his 40s, you know. And so that was my first exposure to, you know, being an outfitter or guiding was through my father. And then honestly, man, like growing up, I hunted all the time. I've been I've been obsessed with, you know, hunting since I was 10, 12 years old.

And then I went and kind of did a more traditional, I guess, lifestyle. I went to school, went to undergrad, went to business school, and then I worked in finance for a few years.

And we can get deep into, like, why that didn't last.

Joe Rogan (1:36)

You know, maybe you can help us explain why the banks are failing right now.

Cliff Gray (1:42)

I don't know, man. It's been so long since I've been in that world.

Joe Rogan (1:45)

What a different contrast, though, the contrast between that world and the world that you live in now.

Cliff Gray (1:51)

Dude, it's crazy to think about, because I still know people that are finance guys. My brother's a finance guy.

Joe Rogan (1:58)

Does he live in hell? He can't be happy.

Cliff Gray (2:01)

Yeah, yeah, he's doing all right, because he doesn't...

all the investment strategies that he's do for the most part, like hedge type of strategies, but he's doing okay. But yeah, it's a different world, man.

Joe Rogan (2:16)

It's definitely a different world. Yeah.

Cliff Gray (2:18)

And I always look back on my path, and I think like, well, did I choose... did I choose the right thing? I don't know, but I'm happy. So I guess...

Joe Rogan (2:29)

If you're happy, you chose the right thing, but there's no right thing. There's just like life and decisions, this idea that you're gonna...

like, oh, I wish I could do it differently. Well, you definitely can't, so don't wish that. There's no way you can do it differently, unless you have a fucking time machine. And even if you have a time machine, you will already have the knowledge of what happens if you do it wrong. So if you go back and try to do it right, who knows how you're gonna fuck that up?

Cliff Gray (2:56)

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan (2:56)

Like, it's not life. Imagine living your life knowing what's going to happen if you do it certain ways. That would be a terrible way to live.

You would never be in the moment. You would be constantly filled with this anxiety of making sure that you don't do the thing that you have already done so that you could live your life in a different way. I mean, I can imagine if, like, you know, you run a red light and crash into a car and you go, oh, my God, how could I stop that from happening again? I have to make sure I don't do that again. Things like that. That makes sense. But, like, a whole life path?

Like, change your whole life? I wish I did it a different way? Well, you definitely didn't, so keep going.

Cliff Gray (3:39)

Right. And man, life's so path-dependent. Yeah.

And that you get, you know, you choose certain things, and there's probably like a million different ways it could go.

And that was like, for me, there was a point in my life when I was doing finance. I was a trader when I was a young guy. And there's just kind of a moment where I'm like, man, dude, I just want to do something else. And then you start down that path, and it just leads you in wild places, man.