#1887 - Maynard James Keenan

Joe Rogan (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Maynard James Keenan (0:16)

Well, it had, initially it had issues, cause it was like a janky-ass actual heater that died and we had to try to get another.

Yeah, we had to order another one, and they'd like, no luck with that company. So we just, it's like, oh, that company doesn't exist anymore. And so, had to get a different one in there, but it's fine.

We just got done putting a bunch of the oil on it. Sauna oil, it's kind of, cause Arizona, the sun just like, Cooks everything? Cooks the fucking wood. So there's like, it was cracking and spaces, so.

Joe Rogan (0:49)

The real hardcore folks, they use the wood-fired sauna. Old school, like you're cooking pizza.

Maynard James Keenan (0:54)

Yeah, well they can do that.

Yeah. I'm not that guy.

Joe Rogan (0:58)

Yeah, they sell those. I'm like, that seems like a lot of work.

Plus, you gotta kill trees.

Maynard James Keenan (1:03)

Yeah, we, you know, so we, you know, we use it quite a bit, actually, when it was running. But then, like, I was on the road, and then Harvest, we didn't bother with it until just now we got it back running.

Joe Rogan (1:15)

It's so good for you, man. It's so good. I just got out.

I do it after every workout. It's like religious. I make sure I get in there right afterwards. It's the best.

Maynard James Keenan (1:25)

Right?

Joe Rogan (1:25)

You're training hard there, fella.

Well, John Donoher, teaching you find your points of triangles. That was fun to watch.

Maynard James Keenan (1:32)

Yeah, I mean, it's hard on, as you, I've discussed this before, being on the road is, it's hard to find consistent training.

Consistent training is your gym, that instructor in your city, your drive back and forth to your house, doing two classes a day, maybe, if you can, like that kind of thing, but the road is inconsistent. So the only consistency I can really rely on is picking a particular subject and going to people that I know, that know how to do it, rather than allowing them to go, hey, I got this cool thing where you go upside down and stand on your head and do a backflip and like buggy choke. Don't, please, I don't, I'm 58, please don't try to tell me what a buggy choke is right now.

Joe Rogan (2:18)

You can't do a buggy choke?

Maynard James Keenan (2:20)

I might someday, but right now, I just want to fucking get the triangles right.

Joe Rogan (2:24)

Buggy choke's a good thing to learn though.

Maynard James Keenan (2:26)

Yeah, I want to learn it, but like I got, it's, let me learn it when I'm going to spend three weeks on it and focused on it with somebody who understands the details, somebody who also understands the counters, because the counters end up being as important as understanding the actual thing.

Joe Rogan (2:44)

Just somebody caught a buggy choke recently in MMA, I think it was in Bellator, and the dude picked him up and slammed him.

Maynard James Keenan (2:49)

And he's out.

Joe Rogan (2:50)

And I'm like, yeah, he got fucked up, and then he beat the shit out of him.

I was like, mm, yeah, that makes sense. Because it's like, you really are committed to that.

Maynard James Keenan (2:57)

You've attached yourself to the person, and that they're big and strong, and can drop you on a surface.

Joe Rogan (3:02)

You just don't have options like you do with a triangle. Like if someone picks you up with a triangle, you drop down to the leg, you let go. Like when you're in a buggy choke, you're kind of committed, I think. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should talk to the Rotola. Yeah, this is it right here. No, this is not it. This is a different one.

But people are getting ies left and right now. Someone pulled one off in the UFC the other day and people didn't even know what the fuck it was. I had to kind of explain it. I'm like, this is so fascinating that this is a technique that is, for Jiu Jitsu, it's been around for like a year or so. He's out cold.

For Jiu Jitsu, it's been around for years rather, but for MMA, it's just starting to be applied.

Maynard James Keenan (3:46)

Right, but the beautiful thing about, especially that high level of MMA, is that somebody's gonna figure out how to counter it or prevent it, and then it's gone. I mean, for a while, all of a sudden, people were catching the Von Flu, and then all of a sudden, people are like, no, no, we're gonna counter that now, but then every now and then, somebody catches one.