#1831 - Colion Noir

Joe Rogan (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:18)

I wish I didn't see you so often after mass shootings, though. Because it seems like so many times when there's a gun control... Well, you're the first guy I always call.

Because I think you're the very best at explaining gun issues from, first of all, from a Second Amendment perspective, from an enthusiast perspective, and also you're a lawyer.

So you understand the law aspect of it better than anybody that I know. So I always want to talk to you when some shit is going down. But the current mass shooting, the most recent one, it's like there's so many of them that it gets to a point where you go, people almost just go numb. They don't know what to do. And then there's a lot of scrambling and crying out for legislation.

Colion Noir (1:12)

I think it's, one, no one can deny our media does a beautiful job memorializing everything about every mass shooting in terms of the killer, what we know about him. For the most part, almost sensationalizing it. And so there's something to be said that someone walking into a school, somebody walking into a building where you don't expect anything, shooting a bunch of people deserves that type of attention. I'm not going to be so naive as to say that I don't get why anybody ever, why they cover it so much. But there is an admitted sense of helplessness when these things happen, where it's like, okay, so what do we do? What can we do?

I think the scapegoat route is gun control.

Because I think what it does is it gives us that immediate gratification of, all right, we did something, we passed this, all right, let's move on and hope it never happens again. The problem is, though, it never touches the underlying issues about why people would do this. This is weird. It's fucking odd. It's not normal for people who want to go out and just kill as many people as possible.

Joe Rogan (2:22)

Well, not just that, just kill children.

Colion Noir (2:24)

That takes it to a whole new level.

Joe Rogan (2:26)

Yeah, and this guy, I mean, obviously, there was something really wrong with him.

Colion Noir (2:33)

You think you're out.

Joe Rogan (2:36)

But the thing about the killing the children is, it's like it's, that's why school shootings are so fucked, because they're the most horrific version of a mass shooting, because you're going after innocent little kids. And this was the most evil.

And then there's also so much to this one, right? There's so much to the amount of time that the cops were outside, that they didn't do anything because they didn't want to get shot.

Colion Noir (3:00)

But that's just it too, though, which is the weird thing for me. So we can acknowledge that in this situation, the same situation that happened in Florida, right?

The resource officer didn't go in in time, when he could have probably stopped it sooner.

Joe Rogan (3:13)

But at least that was one guy.

Colion Noir (3:15)

True.

Joe Rogan (3:15)

This is insane. I mean, how many cops were outside that school?

Colion Noir (3:19)

Jesus, enough that they should have probably went in, like without saying.

Joe Rogan (3:24)

They were outside for 75 minutes. Could you imagine?

Colion Noir (3:30)

But that's just it, though, if you think about it.

Like, the same people, not the same people, but then you'll have people who say, okay, well, we need to limit and restrict these guns. And like, but all that does is force us to depend on people who we've already established in a lot of situations aren't necessarily incapable of being there to protect us or in situations like this, refusing to go in and protect us. Now, I can see someone coming up on the other side saying something, oh, so you want the kids to have guns there too so they can shoot? It's not what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan (4:00)

Well, that's crazy.

Colion Noir (4:02)

Yeah, but what I am saying is, that further justifies why we need to have the firearms that we do have. Because at the end of it, when it all boils down to it, the only person we can rely on to defend ourselves is us, is you. Somebody walks in his door right now and does something.

The only people in the position to stop it in enough time to make a difference is me, you, and-

Joe Rogan (4:23)

And Jamie, yeah.

Colion Noir (4:24)

So from that perspective, I try to keep things and break things down to that simplistic level so people can understand that, instead of just kind of immediately reacting to, all right, let's ban this and let's ban that, let's ban this. But we are talking about, like you said, a group of officers who stood outside while kids were being shot and killed.