#1828 - Michio Kaku

Joe Rogan (0:14)

Thanks for doing this, we really appreciate it.

Michio Kaku (0:16)

My pleasure, anytime.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

It's very nice to meet you in person. We actually did a radio show together once remotely, a long time ago. I was on the Opie and Anthony show, and you called in.

Michio Kaku (0:26)

That's right, yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

I was there live, yeah.

Michio Kaku (0:29)

That was a blast.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

Yeah, it was very fun.

When a person like yourself, you're in this documentary, A Tear in the Sky. And for a person like yourself, who is a very well-respected scientist, to be discussing the subject of UFOs, to me, it signifies that there's been a shift in the way our culture perceives these things.

Michio Kaku (0:51)

That's right. It used to be the third rail of a scientific establishment.

If you talk about UFOs, you are pretty much relegated to being a nutcase and the giggle factor kicks in, right?

Joe Rogan (1:03)

Yeah.

Michio Kaku (1:03)

But things have changed then, you know, because of the fact that the military is now basically releasing hours of videotapes of things that defy the normal laws of physics. And the military has admitted that, quote, they're not ours.

Before, there was always that ambiguity that maybe it's a new stealth bomber or a new fantastic device being prepared by the military. Nope, the military now admits that they're not ours. Then the question is, whose are they, then?

Joe Rogan (1:35)

Yeah, the 2017 New York Times article, in my mind, that was a big shift, because when the New York Times is reporting about it and saying that this is major news and this is real and there's video evidence that they can't ignore, when you talk to high-level people at the government and people like Commander David Fravor, who had that infamous spotting off of the coast of San Diego, when you hear about people like that, that are very reputable, it starts to change the conversation in a lot of people's eyes.

Michio Kaku (2:09)

Right, see, it used to be that one person would see something in the sky and say, look, Martha, look, there's something up there. Now things have changed. Now we have multiple sightings by multiple modes. That is the gold standard, the gold standard for looking for these objects. Not just one person, but several people that are reputable. Not just radar, but visual sighting, infrared sensors, telescopic evidence. Now we have multiple sightings by multiple modes. And so the burden of proof has shifted. It used to be the burden of proof was on the people who believed in UFOs. They saw something, prove it.

Now the burden of proof has shifted to the Pentagon, to the military. Now they have to prove that these aren't extraterrestrial. And so I think there's been a sea change, a sea change in the last just several years. You know, 50 years ago, there was a congressional hearing and it was coming out of Project Blue Book. And there was a lot of laughter and a lot of jokes about little green men in outer space. 50 years ago, that's the way it was. Now things have changed. Now people are looking at, are they a threat militarily? What kinds of sensors do we have? What kind of metrics do we have? We now have frame by frame an analysis of these objects. These objects travel between Mach 5 and Mach 20 That's 20 times the speed of sound.

These objects can zigzag, and we can measure the g-force inside this object. The g-forces are several hundred times the force of gravity. In other words, any living person's bones would be crushed by these objects, so they're probably drones of some sort. These objects can drop 70,000 feet in a few seconds. Think about that. It can drop a tremendous distance in just a few seconds, and they can go underwater.

This is something that we didn't realize before, but yes, they can actually go underwater.

And they also move without creating an exhaust or breaking the sound barrier.

So these are things that we can now document frame by frame looking at these videotapes.

Joe Rogan (4:26)

So for yourself, what was the shift? And how did you feel about UFOs, say, like 10, 15 years ago?

Michio Kaku (4:33)

Well, there is this giggle factor, and it's the third rail, of course, of your scientific reputation.

If you believe in these things, but the evidence is accumulating over the last several years. Now, when I was first approached by Carolyn Corey, the producer of this film, A Tear in the Sky, I was skeptical. I said to myself, come on. I mean, five days, five days, you're going to look for flying saucers in the sky? What happens if the aliens are camera shy and they don't show up in five days?