#1825 - Ali Siddiq

Joe Rogan (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Ali Siddiq (0:09)

The Drones are the cigar choice short story.

And smoking cigars with DL so much. I know a good cigar, Oliver.

Joe Rogan (0:31)

Yeah, this is solid. I've had Cuban cigars, and I know they're supposed to be better. And I believe they're good.

But I do not know if they're better. I can't tell. You could lie to me. You could give me a good Dominican cigar. And I'd be like, damn, Cuban. Nice.

I don't know.

Ali Siddiq (0:49)

You know what you like when you like it. You know, like I like I drink Cabernet.

And you know how they come to the table, they tell you this valley, this and this is this.

Joe Rogan (1:00)

Yeah.

Ali Siddiq (1:01)

And I just said, nine ounce.

And I like it. I like it. You know, yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:09)

Other than that, there was a documentary I've talked about this before, but there's a documentary called Sour Grapes. And it's all about wine connoisseurs getting hustled by this dude who figured out how to mix wine to make it taste like old wine. And he put fake labels on them and he sold them for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Millions of dollars worth of wine this guy sold. Like bottles for a couple hundred thousand dollars.

And unfortunately, he sold a fake bottle to the Koch brothers. And one of the Koch brothers, someone was like going through their collection, what the fuck is this?

And he's like, oh, that's a... And they're like, no, it's not. And then the next thing you know, and he gets his wine examined and he's like, bro, you have a bunch of fake wine in here. And then they find out this one dude had been making these fake labels and blending these cheaper wines together to try to create a taste that's similar to a really expensive wine.

Ali Siddiq (2:04)

That's ridiculous. Everything that he went through, he could have just made a wine.

Joe Rogan (2:14)

You'd think so, but he made millions. Millions and millions and millions of dollars.

Ali Siddiq (2:19)

To hustle people.

Joe Rogan (2:19)

But he came from a criminal family. When they went into the whole family of it, the family, one of the brothers had stolen a bunch of money out of a bank and hundreds of millions of dollars. Wasn't it some insane amount of money? Do you remember that part? And he's on the run, he's hiding somewhere. So it's like the whole family's been con artists their whole life, and this guy just figured out a way to get in with these wine people, because the way he did it was pretty genius. First he went and started going to auctions and buying up really expensive wine. So he became known in the wine community as this guy, like, oh, he knows, he knows the wines, he knows.

And then he said, I'm going to get rid of some of my wines, you know, I don't need, I have too much wine, nowhere to store it, so I'm going to sell some of my choice wines to like Sotheby's. So they would auction off some of his choice wines. And then the winery found out, and the winery's like, we never made that label on that year, like, this is all fake.

It's wild though, dude. Because it's that thing, it's like, people want exclusive shit. Ah, Cuban cigars, ah.

Ali Siddiq (3:25)

With sneakers, they find out some people are selling fake sneakers.

Joe Rogan (3:29)

That makes sense.

Ali Siddiq (3:30)

It's like, I don't know, you can make a sneaker, so.

Joe Rogan (3:34)

Yeah, it's leather. I mean, once you get past the printing of the soles, everything else seems like you could kind of do.

Ali Siddiq (3:43)

The only way that you can make a shoe exclusive, and this would be just utterly ridiculous, if your shoe was put on the foot of the person that's buying it.

Joe Rogan (4:03)

Right, formed.

Ali Siddiq (4:04)

Yeah, like, Ken Griffith Jr. stepped in your shoe, or at least tried to put it on, held it in his hand, and then they sold it to you in Essex, because he dealt with the shoe. Like, all these Ken Griffiths over here are regular Ken Griffiths, but these are hand-held Ken Griffith Jr. sneakers.

Joe Rogan (4:25)

And you would have to have, like, chain of custody.

Ali Siddiq (4:28)

From Ken to you. Where you see him, where it's a photo of him with Joe, a video of him touching your shoe, putting it in the box, and then it's coming to you.