#1768 - Dr. Robert Epstein

Joe Rogan (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

First of all, thank you for coming. I really appreciate it. This is a very interesting subject because I think search engine results have always been a thing that people kind of take for granted that the search engine results is going to give you the most significant results at the top. And they don't really think about the fact that this is kind of curated. And we found it many times because we use two different search engines. We'll use Google and then we'll say, well, if we can't find it on Google, use DuckDuckGo. And oftentimes, when you're looking for something very specific, you'll find that you can't find it on Google.

If it's in there, it's deep, deep, deep, many pages in. Whereas, DuckDuckGo will give you the relevant search results very quickly. So something's going on with search engines. And from your research, what you have found is that it can significantly affect the results of elections.

Robert Epstein (1:11)

Well, not just that. It can affect how people think. It can affect your opinions, attitudes, purchases that you make. Pretty much, it's a mind control machine. It's the most powerful mind control machine that's ever been invented.

And by the way, you should never use the Google search engine. Never.

Joe Rogan (1:34)

Never.

Robert Epstein (1:35)

Never.

Joe Rogan (1:35)

Why is that?

Robert Epstein (1:37)

Because this is what I call, and this is an S&M platform. Now, I'm not sure what S&M means to you. I don't want to pry into your personal life.

But the point is that what I mean by S&M is that this is a surveillance and manipulation platform.

On the surface, there are always two levels to everything with Google. On the surface, it's like a free public library kind of thing, right? That's always on the surface. Beneath the surface, it's something different. From a business perspective, it's an S&M platform. It exists for two purposes only, and that is to trick people into giving up lots and lots of personal information. Notice your public librarian doesn't do that. Notice that they don't actually do that. And then it's also used for manipulation, because they discovered quite a few years ago that if they control the ranking of the search results, they can control people's opinions, purchases, votes. Now they can't control everyone's opinions, because a lot of people already have strong opinions. So the people they're going after are the people who are undecided, the people who are vulnerable and they know exactly who those people are. And they literally, your mind is putty in their hands.

So you should never, ever use Google or any other S&M product like Amazon Alexa is an S&M product, or the Google Home device or Android phones.

Joe Rogan (3:26)

Android phones are bad.

Robert Epstein (3:28)

And Android phone is an S&M device. It's always listening, it's always recording.

Joe Rogan (3:33)

Android phones are always recording you?

Robert Epstein (3:37)

Are you serious?

Joe Rogan (3:37)

Yeah, I mean, I'm questioning this, I mean, I believe you, but I just want you to elaborate.

Robert Epstein (3:44)

Oh yeah, there have been court cases in which the recordings have been subpoenaed from whoever's controlling that so-called personal assistant or that device. And courts have recovered recordings and transcripts when people are not even aware that they're being monitored.

Joe Rogan (4:06)

I know that's the case with Alexa, right?

Robert Epstein (4:08)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (4:09)

But that's the case with Android phones as well?

Robert Epstein (4:11)

Yes. In fact, Android phones, the equipment to prove this, which I didn't bring, but is so cheap now that literally anyone can confirm this. Android phones, even if they're disconnected from your mobile service provider, even if you pull out the SIM card, as long as the power is on, it is recording, tracking every single thing that you do. So if you use it to read things, if you use it to listen to music, you use it to shop, whatever it is, and of course your location is always tracked, then when you go back online, the moment you're reconnected, it uploads all that information. So, some people wonder why their batteries run down, sometimes even when you're not really doing anything with your phone. That's because with Android phones, I think it's 50 to 60 times per hour, it's uploading.

It's uploading about 12 megabytes of data per hour. So that's a lot of energy, that requires energy.

So, I mean, the kind of phone I have is completely different. It doesn't do anything like that.

Joe Rogan (5:30)

What do you have, like a no agenda type phone? Do you know that show No Agenda?