#1717 - Alex Berenson

Joe Rogan (0:15)

What's it like to be in Twitter jail? Well, you're not even in Twitter jail, you're ex-communicado.

Alex Berenson (0:19)

I'm banned.

Joe Rogan (0:20)

You're banned.

Alex Berenson (0:21)

Permanently.

Joe Rogan (0:21)

For telling the truth.

Alex Berenson (0:22)

For telling the truth.

Joe Rogan (0:23)

That's what the fascinating thing is, everything that you were banned for is verifiable, there's sources.

You could go read those sources. I watched the whole process go down. I don't understand.

Alex Berenson (0:37)

Yeah. Well, I'm not a naive guy, but I thought that being right would actually help.

And it turns out being right hurts.

Joe Rogan (0:45)

Well, during this incredibly confusing time where people are more hysterical and more freaked out and anxiety-filled than I've ever seen people in all of my 54 years of life, this is the peak.

This is post-9-11 peak. Like, 9-11 was a big anxiety moment for people, but at least it brought us all together. This, because of whatever it is, whether it's social media algorithms, or it's just the inevitable decline of an empire, whatever the fuck it is, we have hit a weird place right now.

Alex Berenson (1:21)

Yes.

Yes, I would say the people who were sort of very complacent about vaccinations and being vaccinated in the spring are now very angry, but they're angry at the wrong people. Somehow they're blaming people who are not vaccinated. They should be blaming Pfizer and the lies that the CDC told them.

Joe Rogan (1:43)

Well, what's really interesting is almost no anger at the lab in Wuhan.

Alex Berenson (1:49)

That's true, too.

Joe Rogan (1:50)

Very strange, almost no anger, almost none. It's almost like an inconvenient truth that most likely this virus emerged from a lab. I mean, Sagar and Jetty from Breaking Points broke down exactly when it went down, who were the initial people that got infected, how it most likely spread.

It's been documented by Josh Dubin extensively, the involvement of Fauci, the NIH, the EcoHealth Alliance, all of the input, all of the deceptive public statements contrasted to the internal emails that showed a real concern that they might be responsible for it, a real concern that gain-of-function research might have been the cause of this, and no anger at that, but anger at people who are unvaccinated. Even people who are unvaccinated and healthy, even people who have taken care of their body for their entire life, exercised, ate right, take vitamins, people who are fit and who don't want to take a chance with anything else.

Alex Berenson (3:01)

Yeah, I mean, just to, it's funny you mentioned the lab leak, so, you know, I now have this substack, which is sort of my inadequate effort to replace Twitter.

Joe Rogan (3:09)

Tell people how to get to that, by the way.

Alex Berenson (3:11)

Sure, so substack is substack.com.

My, substack is essentially a newsletter service and a hosting service, and they have guaranteed free expression. That's what they've said. They've said they're not gonna censor. I have to choose to believe them on that. I believed in Twitter for a while that confidence was clearly misplaced, but substack says they're not gonna censor me or other people, and I gotta hope that's true.

Joe Rogan (3:35)

How many people do you have on your substack?

Alex Berenson (3:36)

More than 150,000.

Joe Rogan (3:38)

That's nice.

Alex Berenson (3:38)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (3:39)

We'll see if we can juice that up.

Alex Berenson (3:40)

I hope so.

Joe Rogan (3:41)

Yeah, here it is. Unreported Truths.

So you type in your email, and then.

Alex Berenson (3:45)

You can subscribe.

Joe Rogan (3:46)

Or you can just say, let me read it first, and you don't have to subscribe.

Alex Berenson (3:49)

And you will see the first.

Joe Rogan (3:51)

Beautiful.

Alex Berenson (3:51)

Excited to be in Austin to talk to Joe Rogan today.

Joe Rogan (3:54)

Yeah, beautiful.

Alex Berenson (3:56)

And so, by the way, most of the people who are signed up do not pay. You can choose to pay or not pay. Basically, you're gonna get the same content. I'm very clear about that. There'll be a few things extra you get, but for the most part, this is not, it's not about money for me. It's about getting the largest audience possible.

And so I have more than 150,000 people signed up right now, but I gotta tell you, Twitter, on Twitter I had 350,000, 345,000, and that was growing by about 1,000 a day towards the end.

And I had 25 million profile views in August and almost 200 million impressions. So Twitter, in cutting me off, Twitter not only defamed me, they really hurt my efforts to get the word out.