#1616 - Jamie Metzl

Jamie Metzl (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:14)

What's up, Jamie? Good to see you, man.

Jamie Metzl (0:16)

Hey, Joe, nice to see you again.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

Thanks for coming down here.

Jamie Metzl (0:18)

It's really my pleasure.

Joe Rogan (0:19)

And bringing your chocolate with you again.

Jamie Metzl (0:20)

You know, I always bring the chocolate. You got to be ready.

Joe Rogan (0:23)

Yeah, you're a legitimate chocolate fiend.

Jamie Metzl (0:26)

I'm definitely a legitimate chocolate fiend.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

How much do you eat a day? How much chocolate do you eat a day?

Jamie Metzl (0:29)

You know, every single morning, I have hot chocolate, and it takes about 45 minutes of preparation time, has about four different ingredients. So I start that, and then I have some chocolate over the course.

Joe Rogan (0:40)

45 minutes.

Jamie Metzl (0:42)

Yeah, a lot of it is simmering, so it's not really fully active, but it's some active and some passive intervention.

Joe Rogan (0:48)

So is this a preparation that you do? Like, does it prepare you for the day? Is it like a meditation thing?

Jamie Metzl (0:55)

You know, it's probably some kind of morning ritual, but it's just, I don't know, it's very calming for me. And by the time after this 45 minutes, it's like pudding. I mean, it's like this thick, bubbling hot chocolate. It brings me joy. I feel like everyone should start their day with joy.

Joe Rogan (1:10)

Well, there's some like positive qualities, and it's not just a good tasting thing, right? Like chocolate has some...

Jamie Metzl (1:18)

Oh yeah, dark chocolate especially has all kinds of very positive health benefits. I'm not saying that everyone should just eat chocolate bars all day and you're gonna live forever, but actually the world, the woman who lived longest of everyone in recorded history ate two pounds of chocolate a week, Jean Calment in France. So at least it could help.

Joe Rogan (1:38)

Two pounds seems like excessive.

Jamie Metzl (1:40)

It's a lot, but she lived 122

Joe Rogan (1:43)

But chocolate's different in terms of like some chocolate is like really sugar, sugar-based, and some chocolate is more of like kind of, I really like dark chocolate and peanut butter together.

Jamie Metzl (1:54)

You know.

Joe Rogan (1:54)

Like a chocolate bar.

Jamie Metzl (1:56)

Yeah, or like Reese's Pieces. Yeah, so the dark chocolate is the healthier version of chocolate on average. And so the darker, pure cacao, that's where the health benefits are.

Joe Rogan (2:07)

But some people think there's like, there's some psychoactive benefits to chocolate, right? To cacao.

Jamie Metzl (2:13)

There is a little bit, yeah. Well, so cacao has been used ceremonially for about 5,000 years. So there definitely is a history of that. And it has some, I mean, it's not as psychoactive as some of the other stuff you talk about on the show, but it has a little bit of it.

Joe Rogan (2:29)

Well, we did a podcast before the podcast while we're getting COVID tested out there.

Jamie Metzl (2:32)

Yep. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Talking about our experience last time.

Joe Rogan (2:37)

Yeah. And so there's another thing that happens that I was reading about.

Some people like chocolate because it replaces, like it gives them a feeling of being loved. Have you ever read that?

Jamie Metzl (2:51)

I haven't read that, but I mean, maybe it's true. I don't know whether there's some doubt there's something that's chemical about chocolate, but I think there's probably an association with chocolate and happiness and everybody's, there are lots of people's grandmothers gave them little chocolates. I think that there's a little bit of that. Maybe it's part of the chocolate, maybe it's part of our experience.

Joe Rogan (3:11)

I think it's like, oh God, I wish I could remember it. See if you can find this. It's tryptophan.

Really, that's what it is? That's what this article says, it's tryptophan, amino acids, small quantities.

Jamie Metzl (3:21)

Flavinates is the, yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:23)

Phelanophen or phelanophen. Does it have something to do with love?

What is what it says here?

Jamie Metzl (3:28)

Oh, this is, wow, this is fast acting.

Joe Rogan (3:30)

Chocolate in the brain, signs behind chocolate. But okay, there we go. Butterflies we feel in falling in love. Yeah.

Jamie Metzl (3:36)

Wow, all right.

Great. Well, if the internet says it, it must be true.

Joe Rogan (3:40)

Must be. But that was the idea that I had read that some people like chocolate, like when they're depressed, like when they're heartbroken, they like chocolate, sort of a replacement for love.