#1593 - Dr. Carl Hart

Carl Hart (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:14)

It's got like a lot of freedom, like, their ethos here, the way they look at things. Like, they're not interested in the government telling them what to do.

Carl Hart (0:23)

Like, I gotta tell you, you know, I'm standing out, standing downtown, and I never saw homelessness here. I saw people, like, working a lot of jobs, but now, I mean, what I saw when I was downtown, it's like I hadn't seen homelessness like this in Texas, ever.

Joe Rogan (0:40)

No, it's a new thing. The government here changed the laws in terms of, like, allowing people to camp out, and so they camp out under underpasses and all that kind of shit. Have you been to LA recently?

Carl Hart (0:51)

Um, not recently.

Joe Rogan (0:53)

L.A.'s insane.

Carl Hart (0:54)

Yeah, but L.A.'s always been that way.

Joe Rogan (0:55)

Never like this, though. Never like this.

Carl Hart (0:57)

I've never seen, I've never seen Texas like this.

Joe Rogan (1:00)

Oh, yeah.

Carl Hart (1:01)

Texas have always seemed like they had jobs and people were working, but I've never seen this before.

Joe Rogan (1:06)

Well, the COVID lockdowns affected everywhere, and I think it affected here less than it affected LA but I think the real thing is, you know, I mean, it's mental health, right? That's the real reason that most of those folks are out there. They really need care.

And then, you know, you've got a lot of drug addicts and you got a lot of mental, which brings up your book, Drug Use for Grown-Ups.

Carl Hart (1:31)

Drug Use for Grown-Ups, man.

Joe Rogan (1:32)

First of all, it's great to see you again. You too. It's been a while. How long has it been?

Carl Hart (1:36)

About five, six years, man. I didn't realize.

Joe Rogan (1:38)

The world keeps spinning.

Carl Hart (1:40)

Yeah, you know, I didn't realize it was that long, man. I actually, I was trying, like, trying not to just be in the public for the sake of being in the public. I always want to make sure I got something to say. And, but really, I miss you. I mean, I miss being here, and I really dig what you do. And the people you bring on, people, some people don't like them.

But I really, the space you created, thank you.

Joe Rogan (2:03)

My pleasure. Thank you.

Well, you know, it's a weird thing to be able to just talk to people, you know, and then the whole world listens. Like, what do you got to say?

Carl Hart (2:13)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (2:14)

What's this person have to say? What's this about?

Carl Hart (2:16)

You know, what's remarkable for me is that you're a comedian, right? That's what you were.

And the comedians have been our sort of saviors. You know, of all people in our society, that's who we look to, the comedians, because they can tell the truth. Like, so it's so nice to see Louis CK coming back, you know, and these people coming back.

Bill Burr, I just love the shit that he's doing. I mean, you know, we're not for the comedians. We really be fucked up.

Joe Rogan (2:50)

No, thank you, there's a lot of scared people out there. And I think the comedians aren't as scared.

There's a few that are scared.

Carl Hart (2:56)

I think a lot of them are scared. I mean, when that stuff happened to Louis CK they all kind of went quiet.

Joe Rogan (3:02)

Yeah.

Carl Hart (3:03)

And that was really stupid, you know, I mean, and I was expecting more of them to stand up and they didn't, so.

Joe Rogan (3:12)

Well, there was a bunch of different narratives, right? And if Louis wasn't talking, you know, all Louis did was like release a statement. But if you weren't talking to him, you didn't get his version of it. Once I talked to him personally and got his version, I'm like, well, this is a very different version than what you're hearing from the public and from the people that are making the worst judgments on it. Like what it was mostly was he's kind of a pervert and he asked if he could jerk off in front of them and he had already been flirting with these girls and he knew them and they'd, this wasn't, they had made it seem like he was a monster.

It was like cornering people and jerking off in front of them.

Carl Hart (3:49)

I mean, but even that's hard to like cancel somebody. It's like, you can just walk the fuck away. I don't understand this.