#1579 - Suzanne Santo & Gary Clark Jr.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

Don't clam up.

What are you telling me about acid? Tell me.

Suzanne Santo (0:21)

Right into it.

Joe Rogan (0:22)

Yes, because it was very, and I stopped you because it was too good. It was very interesting. Well, you were saying that you did it once and you were in a bathtub and it was interesting, but then you did it.

Where were you the second time you did it?

Suzanne Santo (0:35)

So the first time I did it, I was with three other people and we like, you know, it was celebrating someone's birthday and all my friends are like pretty spiritual in that way, like meditative and annoying, you know, no, it's good stuff. I love it.

Gary Clark Jr. (0:51)

I'm kidding.

Suzanne Santo (0:52)

I know it can be annoying. I agree.

Joe Rogan (0:54)

That shit can be really wrong people 100 percent when it's inauthentic. It's super annoying.

Suzanne Santo (0:58)

Yeah. No, I think there's it's like any other area of bullshit you pick up on it.

Joe Rogan (1:03)

You're like, no, I had two different yoga teachers that did the same thing. And with one of them, it was amazing with the other one. It was so annoying.

Suzanne Santo (1:10)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:10)

Well, the guy would like chant in class and he would sing and I'd be like, let get me away from this motherfucker. He was just a bullshit artist. It was like a fake spiritual guy. But then another guy who did it, his classes were all donation based. You didn't have to pay to come. And you would see ladies pull up in Mercedes and not pay. I'd be like, you dirty bitch.

They just wouldn't pay.

Suzanne Santo (1:31)

Wait, was that the good one or the bad one?

Joe Rogan (1:33)

The good one.

Suzanne Santo (1:33)

Yeah, the good one. Interesting.

Joe Rogan (1:34)

He did the exact same thing. You can tell there was no pretense.

Suzanne Santo (1:37)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:38)

So I'm sorry.

Suzanne Santo (1:39)

No, I'm with you though. I feel the same way. I have spiritual friends and it was more of like, I laughed for like eight hours. It was just like laugh therapy and just surround like wonderful people, just good, energetic. And I was so, I was high for like two days, but I found myself wanting to like go in and I kept going into his bathtub and like, he had like this glass door. So when you shut it, the sound was really, and that's what I wanted. But I didn't really get to go there because everyone's like, come back, let's all like hang out, you know, and so last week, I went with my best girlfriend to celebrate her mother's birthday and her mom passed away five years ago. And we went out to Joshua Tree.

It was beautiful. I mean, first and foremost, the thing that I admire most about the process is like setting an intention when you want to heal from it. You know, like you can party like I did the week before, you're just like hanging out. But I wanted to go somewhere else and we did.

And you know, there was this moment to where we were sitting, just the two of us were sitting around a fire. And my friend's been through some crazy, crazy shit in her life, like dark stuff. And there's this like space of sacred pain where like she told me things that no one she doesn't talk about. And she's like, it comes out and vice versa. And it was just this like, that's the place where we put it. That's the place where we had love for each other and was like, I see you. I respect all your shit you've been through. And then we went to like the next phase of it, of the trip. And at one point, you know, we were laughing to go in and out of like laughing hysterically and having like the best time and then having these like intense spiritual moments and, and therapeutic as such, like that's why I love it.

But at one point, I don't know how to describe it. Like we, first of all, the stars, like were, there was like galactic geometry, like you can just see all this crazy shit in the sky and it feels alive.

And at one point we went up, it was like this cabin, and then you had to walk up the hill for the bathroom in the kitchen. So you're really in the middle of nowhere.

And at one point, like the frequency changed. And it went, and the only other time I'd experienced that was when I smoked DMT, like a decade ago. And it scared me because I was like, there is something, there was like, there is an energy that just presented itself. And my friend and I experienced it at the same time, which I don't think is a thing that happens for people often. I don't know. Like I've never had, like we were visited by like, it felt like another star system. I mean, it sounds like Hocus Pocus, but I, I don't think it's Hocus Pocus. It was amazing.