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#1560 - Mike Baker

The Joe Rogan Experience

November 7, 2020

Mike Baker is a former CIA covert operations officer, host of the Science Channel series Black Files Declassified, and current president and cofounder of Diligence LLC, a global intelligence and security firm.

Speakers Mike Baker, Joe Rogan, Jamie

TopicsComedy

Mike Baker (0:06)

Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:20)

Somebody gave it to me, it wasn't my idea.

Jamie (0:22)

I could have had that information before I picked it up.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

Check, check, check, there we go. Steve Rinella was here yesterday, and I guess the technical term is bacula. I didn't know it was called a bacula. That's what it is though.

Dick bone.

Jamie (0:41)

I've got one at home. Oddly enough, a friend of mine has been up in Alaska most of his life. He sent this, it's not like this. It's like on this ornamental stand, and it's polished, and it looks like a piece of ivory almost.

I was like, what the hell is this thing?

But it was great. It was very nice. It was a gift, he said. I never thought to ask him what the hell it was.

Joe Rogan (1:01)

A dick bone.

Jamie (1:01)

Yeah, until he came to visit one time.

Joe Rogan (1:03)

Are we rolling? Yeah, let's just keep it from here.

Start off with what type of animal was it?

Jamie (1:10)

A walrus bone. A walrus. Yeah, yeah, a walrus dick.

Joe Rogan (1:12)

Same size as that?

Jamie (1:13)

No, no, this one was not as well endowed, but it's shinier, the one that I've got.

Joe Rogan (1:19)

Maybe it's older, more polished. So here we are, Mike Baker. It is Friday. The elections were Tuesday. We still don't know who the new president is, which I guess I was having a conversation. I forget who told this to me, but the Al Gore Bush election took 45 days to resolve.

I forgot that it was that long.

Jamie (1:42)

Remember, they didn't actually concede, I think, or whatever you want to call it, get sort of the final count in until 12 or 13 December.

So Al Gore and his lawyers, the DNC, they carried that in 2000, they carried that process out, and they were entitled to, just like in the current time, if the current president of Trump wants to pursue remedies for what they perceive to be irregularities, then that, by law, you're entitled to do that. Now, you don't want to get in the game of making spurious accusations and just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, so it has to be based in something. But this is not unprecedented, and so I think people need to keep that in mind.

Joe Rogan (2:26)

I feel like there's part of me that feels like there's some fuckery afoot for sure, but there's also part of me that thinks that, and this is going to sound ridiculous, but maybe for the psyche of the country, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Biden won.

Jamie (2:49)

Yeah, no, I see where you're going with it. I don't...

What's the word I'm looking for? I don't disagree as long as that fuckery is properly investigated, right? And so, and I think it's pretty sweet. I mean, look, you got to be consistent, right?

Joe Rogan (3:06)

With your fuckery?

Jamie (3:06)

With your fuckery, right. If you've spent the past four years denying the results of the 2016 election, or chasing the Russian collusion bullshit, or if you were in the media and you've been just throwing that crap around about the Russian collusion and happily doing it, right, for the past four years, then you really don't have the moral high ground now to say that the other side can't investigate, can't cry foul, can't say they've got concerns, and that we should just all, as Nancy Pelosi says, we just have to unify now. I mean, I love that.

Yeah, she just came out today and it's like, oh, the good thing is we just need to unify, you know.

Joe Rogan (3:45)

Under who?

Jamie (3:46)

Yeah, well, under... Under you? Under the president-elect, as she referred to him, or soon to be Joe Biden. But I see what you're saying.

Look, I'm far more concerned because I like a divided government, right? I wouldn't want to see one party, regardless of which party it is, have control of everything. I always think that's when shit happens, or things go wrong.

So I'd be fine, right? The republic's going to survive just fine if, for instance, the senate remains in control of the republicans. The house, you know, it's going to be tighter now. Look, I mean, the house, you know, Pelosi lost, you know, conservatively, you know, right now they're saying five seats, but there's ten other seats leaning towards the republicans in a heavy way. So she could have a, you know, a 15 seat turnaround, 16 seat turnaround. It's going to be a very thin majority that she's going to have. But that's fine. So they've got the house, the GOP has the senate, Biden, Harris, you know, they win if they win. Okay, we're going to be just fine, right?

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