#1538 - Douglas Murray

Douglas Murray (0:14)

Great to be with you again, Joe. How are you?

Joe Rogan (0:16)

Great to be with you as well. And we were talking about you potentially being able to come to America, hopefully, sometime soon.

Douglas Murray (0:24)

That's right, I'm hoping to.

I'm hoping to. It would be nice to be with you for the end times.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

Well, I've escaped to Texas, so I think I'll avoid the end times by at least a couple of months. I think we'll know.

Douglas Murray (0:36)

You think that's what it might have bought you?

Joe Rogan (0:38)

I think it's already happening in California. I mean, this is, if it keeps burning the way it's burning, what's going to be left? Some friends of ours sent photos from Mammoth, California up in the mountains.

It is a hellscape. It's a terrifying vision. It's just everything is on fire. It's so bizarre.

Douglas Murray (0:55)

Yeah. And it's a combination of events, isn't it? That's the other thing that's so terrifying. It's like just seeing a civilization being hit by plague, by fires, by pestilence, by politicians, everything.

Joe Rogan (1:12)

If we were in another time where we didn't have access to information, we would be sure that this is the end.

Douglas Murray (1:20)

I think we'd be expecting the sun not to come up tomorrow by this stage.

Joe Rogan (1:24)

We'd be expecting demons to rise out of the fires and ride horses with searing eyes.

Douglas Murray (1:32)

And then we'd be trying to work out which of our friends were the demons and slaying them for no reason.

Joe Rogan (1:37)

Right, right, like the Salem witch trials. At Los Angeles, which I was telling you before we got started that I fled, I really never thought too much about the government there.

I never thought too much about who the mayor is or who the governor is, but my God, does that matter.

Douglas Murray (1:57)

Yeah, yeah. I just saw the mayor of Portland has done another cracking one in the last 24 hours. I think he's sort of, there's some move to have even less policing or something like that.

Joe Rogan (2:11)

He's hilarious because he is the most progressive mayor in this country, and they're like, fuck you, not good enough, resign. No cops, no laws, no rules.

Douglas Murray (2:22)

Yeah, I saw they came to his house. They lit his lobby on fire.

Yeah, that didn't persuade him that it was a problem.

Joe Rogan (2:30)

He's like, they mean the right thing. They're anti-fascists. How could they be wrong?

Douglas Murray (2:37)

That's one of the other plagues. That's one of the other plagues.

Joe Rogan (2:41)

It's just amazing that that name is still being used by people.

There's some people, particularly like hardcore, left-wing sites that still call them anti-fascists. Instead of Antifa, they're calling them anti-fascists, which is like an obvious move to distort what they've done and what they stand for and what happened in Seattle and what's happened for over 100 days in Portland.

Douglas Murray (3:05)

Well, it all matters, doesn't it? The language matters, and everyone's been caught on the back foot by it because a huge number of people have clearly been persuaded that they are what they pretended they were. I suppose people are falling away bit by bit from believing that the anti-fascists are actually anti-fascists, but they've clearly fooled a lot of people. It's been a clever move on their part, calling themselves this.

If they had just called themselves fascists, everyone else might have got there a bit faster, but they were quite clever on the naming.

Joe Rogan (3:35)

Yes, because if you look at what they're doing, there's nothing anti-fascist about what they're doing at all. In fact, what they're trying to do is get people to comply.

They're actually using fascist tactics, getting people to use their language and comply, and they're trying to literally get rid of the current police and the current authority, and they're trying to do it by force.

Douglas Murray (3:59)

The best example of the fact that they're not even trying to disguise it is that they're trying to make everyone raise their arm. That used to be a giveaway.

Joe Rogan (4:07)

Yeah, the thing that they did in Washington, DC. I'm continually astounded. Like every day I look at the news for a hope, like a glimmer of light, like some reason has popped through, and it's not coming. Every day it gets more and more bonkers. Those people outside, a bunch of white people, by the way, screaming at this lady who has marched for Black Lives Matter multiple times, telling her she must raise her fist in compliance.