#1494 - Bret Weinstein

Joe Rogan (0:00)

, if anybody sounded the alarm that all this madness was gonna come to fruition in the real world, it's you, sir. You were the guy. Like, you were the one who was saying, this is what's happening at Evergreen, and if you don't know, go Google it. Bret Weinstein, Evergreen.

And now it spills out into the real world.

Bret Weinstein (0:23)

Just like I said it was gonna.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

You did.

Bret Weinstein (0:25)

I did.

Joe Rogan (0:26)

You did.

Bret Weinstein (0:26)

I said it in several different places, and pretty clearly, you know, it could have been a tiny bit more precision, but it was highly accurate.

Joe Rogan (0:33)

You were highly accurate, and often maligned and mocked.

Bret Weinstein (0:37)

Yep.

Joe Rogan (0:38)

People didn't think it was a big deal. They think you're much ado about nothing. You're making a big deal about some kids that are voicing their opinions on things, but what you recognized early on was that there was an authoritarian aspect of it, a force compliance aspect of it that's very dangerous.

Bret Weinstein (0:54)

Yeah, it's all about force, and I've started to get calls in the last week or two.

The people who mocked me and others, including you, for making too much of what appeared to be college kids going wild on college campuses, some of them have started to call and say, I got it wrong, what do we do now? And actually, I appreciate those calls and those contacts because really that is the question.

Joe Rogan (1:22)

Yeah, what do we do now to pull it back?

Yeah, to get the genie back in the bottle. Or as Douglas Murray says, how do you put the brakes on this thing?

Bret Weinstein (1:29)

How do you put the brakes on this thing indeed? Well, I have to tell you, I'm not optimistic.

I think that this is actually, the people who are catching up to the fact that Evergreen has now spilled over into the world have not caught up to the fact that this is unstoppable at this point with the current configuration. The absence of leadership is going to prevent us from doing what we should do. And that means that the next set of predictions are far more dire.

Joe Rogan (1:59)

What is your next set of predictions?

Bret Weinstein (2:01)

Well, I would say we are headed for a collision course with history. I mean, we're really staring at many scenarios that end in some kind of civil war. And while I do think it is still possible to avert that outcome, I don't know the name of the force that gets in its way.

It's really troubling.

Joe Rogan (2:27)

What do you think these kids want?

Not just kids. What do you think the people that are facilitating chaos, what do you think they want?

Bret Weinstein (2:38)

Well, I think there's some danger in casting them as one thing, because I think we have several things fused together. And that until you understand what has joined forces with what, you're not gonna, there's no way to answer the question.

Joe Rogan (2:52)

All right, let's break it down.

Bret Weinstein (2:53)

Okay, so one thing that we're seeing is, and we really have to take this back a number of years to understand why it happened, but we are seeing Occupy 2.0. Now, I participated in Occupy. Originally, Occupy made a lot of sense. It was a complaint about the TARP program and too big to fail and the fact that the American public was not protected when those who had created the financial collapse were. And that was a legitimate gripe and it was also a legitimate gripe at the beginning of the Tea Party movement.

Occupy then morphed into an anarchist movement that was just simply hostile to civilization and it became absurd. And so when I say this is Occupy 2.0, this is the anarchist version of Occupy that has now re-emerged and it has fused with Black Lives Matter, which as I've said, lots of different places. If Black Lives Matter just simply meant what those words imply, I'd be on board with it.

It doesn't. It means a great deal more than that. And we're beginning to see that in the last couple of weeks.

Joe Rogan (3:59)

What else do you think it means?

Bret Weinstein (4:01)

Well, let's put it this way. For some reason, it means abolish the police, which is possibly the stupidest proposal I have ever heard. And it's not like we haven't seen what happens when you do that.

Joe Rogan (4:15)

Don't you think that that's just a fearful response to the obvious police brutality that we saw in Minneapolis? What's the best response? We have to do something. We need to defund the police. And then everyone's like, good job. Great, great first step, at least.