#1492 - Jocko Willink

Joe Rogan (0:01)

If anybody's got the answers, it's Jocko. Got any answers?

Jocko Willink (0:05)

Oh, I'm not quite so sure about that. I'm not sure how this movie ends.

Joe Rogan (0:10)

This is the dumbest fucking movie ever. Do you know Magic the Gathering is now racist?

Jocko Willink (0:14)

I don't even know what Magic the Gathering is.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

It's some dorky game that nerds play.

Jocko Willink (0:20)

Sorry nerds. How is it racist?

Joe Rogan (0:22)

I don't know, I only saw the title of the article that they're trying to cancel Magic the Gathering. I'm like, oh Christ, I thought that's what you guys liked.

I thought they liked Magic the Gathering.

Jocko Willink (0:34)

I have no idea.

Joe Rogan (0:35)

Everything's problematic. Everyone's getting canceled.

It's amazing how many people did Blackface.

Jocko Willink (0:42)

Yeah, it's very strange. It's very strange.

It's very strange. I mean, it was on primetime TV, right?

Joe Rogan (0:51)

Yeah, a bunch of times.

Jocko Willink (0:53)

I mean, like in the modern world, primetime TV.

Joe Rogan (0:55)

Jimmy Fallon was doing, well, he's doing a Chris Rock impression, which, by the way, you used to be able to do. When I was in high school, my friends were Mr. T for Halloween, nobody gave a fuck. Nobody was like, Jimmy, what's wrong with you? Everybody's like, oh, you're Mr. T for Halloween. It was never like a problem. It's a very strange thing, you know? Like you can do Whiteface, no problem. Here it is, what is this, Magic the Gathering? Invoke Prejudice card.

It's an enchantment card which restricts the caster's opponents only using summons that match the skin color of their opposing creatures.

Huh?

Jocko Willink (1:34)

This is, if you brought me on to talk about this, I should leave now about Magic the Gathering.

This is why I'm here, man. We're in a bad way.

Joe Rogan (1:42)

It just shows how fucked up everything is.

Jocko Willink (1:46)

There's a lot of thin skin out there right now, apparently.

Joe Rogan (1:48)

I just don't, I mean, it seems like a perfect storm. Like, if you wanted to engineer the downfall of society, you would do it in several steps. You would have a reality show president where everybody's mad at him, and then all the liberals get their feathers in a ruffle, and everybody gets real super uptight, and then there's this big divide between the left and the right that's kind of, you know, manufactured. And then you'd have this disease.

Jocko Willink (2:14)

Just lock everyone inside.

Joe Rogan (2:15)

Yeah, unprecedented, lock, shut down the economy. Force people to not work. So if your business falls apart, you could be the most hardworking, diligent, disciplined person who's always at work an hour early, always has your I's dotted and your T's crossed, and you still go broke, and you're still fucked.

And then you have this George Floyd thing, and then boom, it just ignites the power keg.

Jocko Willink (2:40)

The other thing that you have to wrap around all this is the social media, which is, you know, I'm only gonna post things that are just gonna completely make everyone that sees whatever I'm posting emotional and filled with rage, whether you're on the left or you're on the right. My goal is to enrage people. That's the goal. And then that just gets spun up over and over, so you're taking all these little incidents and you're multiplying them times thousands and thousands of views.

And then on top of that, mainstream media is the same thing, right? It's not like there's this huge difference between what the mainstream media shows and what social media, they're both emotional media, just trying to make people emotional, which is the worst possible thing. No one makes good decisions when they're emotional.

Joe Rogan (3:25)

No.

Jocko Willink (3:26)

I spent my adult life trying to train humans to not get emotional in pressure situations. Why? Because it's gonna end up bad every single time. Every single time.

And yet, that's what our society is based on right now. But it's based on these emotional reactions.

Joe Rogan (3:41)

Yeah, because of social media, I think, and because of things like YouTube and user-created content, where anybody can kind of make videos. So many things are vying for folks' attention that mainstream media has resorted to clickbaity type shit.

Whether it's New York Times articles, which used to be Beyond Reproach. They've gone Social Justice Warrior and clickbaity. And all these other websites are 100% clickbaity. That's the only way they can get people to pay attention. Like I saw, the dumbest fucking article, I couldn't believe how dumb it was. It was an article on Ozark. It's like, has Ozark been canceled? And I'm like, fuck, they canceled that show? That show's amazing. So then I click on the article. The entire article is about a guy who couldn't find season one on Ozark because there was a glitch and then he found it. And so it's not, so the whole article was just bullshit.