1404 THEY AREN'T ALIENS: The Nazca Mummies & the Hybrid Lie

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Welcome to Strange Planet and on this episode, we're going to enter some very strange territory. Because what if we've been asking the wrong question about the beings associated with the UFO phenomenon? What if some of them aren't even extraterrestrial? What if the bodies recovered in Peru really are the remains of once living creatures, but their DNA points to another planet?
Back to Earth, perhaps. What if the so-called alien-human hybrids, described by abductees for decades, aren't hybrids at all, but something potentially far more disturbing? Genetically engineered human beings, perhaps? My guests tonight are Steve Aspin and Andreas Lück, co-authors of Investigating the Impossible. Biology offers new answers and insights. This is a book that takes some of the most controversial evidence in the UFO and abduction field and puts it under the microscope, literally, using molecular biology, genetics, biochemistry, DNA analysis, radiocarbon dating, CT scans and MRI.
Steve Aspin spent 35 years working in surgery and medical diagnostics before turning his attention to a mystery that had followed him for much of his life. His first book, Out of Time, the Intergenerational Abduction Program Explored, examined the disturbing possibility that the abduction phenomenon isn't random at all, but follows certain families across generations. His co-author, Dr. Andreas Lück, brings an entirely different weapon to the investigation. Hard science. Lück holds advanced degrees spanning molecular biology, biochemistry, genetics, and cell biology. He conducted postdoctoral research at Brigham and Women's Hospital, affiliated with Harvard Medical School, and later became professor of medical biochemistry, genetics, and cell biology. And his interest in UFOs isn't merely academic. He traces it back to his own close encounter as a teenager in Germany. Together, they've spent two years asking questions that lead to some deeply unsettling possibilities.
If the Nazca bodies are real, what were they? If humans and extraterrestrials can't easily reproduce, why have abductees been describing a hybrid program for generations? And if the beings walking among us aren't aliens, what if they're us? From somewhere else or some when else?