1403 THE POLTERGEIST POLICE COULDN’T EXPLAIN: The Chilling St. Catharines Case of 1970

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Forrest grabbed the knife and then just stabbed Johnny in one motion.

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I was immediately hit by a barrage of bullets.

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And he was to put me in a grave with a bullet wound on my head.

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That night, I swear Richard, something stood in my bedroom door and watched me all night, and I was standing by the side of the bed. I felt uneasy. I didn't sleep at all. I felt really irritable.
Two days later, I had to ask everybody, anybody ever, I thought I was losing my mind. About five of us had the exact same experience, including Wayne, who went to Toronto with his real job, where he was working for a company and putting wires. All night, Wayne said he was being followed by a shadow, but he said the funny part was is there was no light to cast the shadow. And that Richard was what they call, I guess, the TSN turning point for me where I told everybody, if anything like that happens again, I am done because this is just where we go a little too far, where I can't see what that is, and I don't want to know what it is.

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**Richard Syrett** (3:19)
Hey there, welcome to Strange Planet. There are old buildings where the floorboards creak, houses where pipes knock in the walls, places where shadows move strangely in the corner of your eye. And then there are places where none of that explains what happened. Where objects reportedly move on their own, where voices appear on recordings that no one heard at the time, where multiple witnesses, including police officers, claims to have encountered something they simply could not explain. My guest tonight has spent years trying to determine where psychology ends and the paranormal begins. Dr. Peter Andrew Sacco is a Canadian author, psychology professor, filmmaker and veteran paranormal investigator. He's the host of the award-winning television series The Paranormal Profilers and the filmmaker behind Niagara's 13 Ghosts. He's written extensively about hauntings and unexplained phenomena, particularly in Ontario's Niagara region. He's investigated cases involving alleged apparitions, poltergeist activity and locations with long histories of violence, tragedy and death. But what makes Peter particularly interesting is that he approaches these cases with an understanding of just how easily human perception can betray us. Suggestion, expectation, faulty memory, fear, pareidolia.
So what happens when you account for all that and something is still there?
Tonight we're going to talk about haunted Niagara, poltergeists, EVPs, the psychology of paranormal experiences and the cases Peter says simply refuse to go away. And ultimately we'll confront the question lurking behind every ghost story. If these things are real, what exactly are we encountering?