#1391 - Tulsi Gabbard & Jocko Willink

Joe Rogan (0:03)

All right, here we go.

How did this get started? How did we decide to do this?

Jocko Willink (0:07)

I was trying to think about that because it's something you and I started interacting on.

Tulsi Gabbard (0:11)

It was somebody on Twitter.

Somebody, I don't know exactly how it started, but I saw you replied to a tweet from somebody saying, hey, great idea. Why doesn't Jocko and Tulsi go on the Rogan show? And he's like, yeah.

Jocko Willink (0:26)

Cool.

Joe Rogan (0:26)

Yeah, you're like, I'm in.

Tulsi Gabbard (0:28)

Yeah, I'm in.

Joe Rogan (0:29)

But Jocko, he'll say that to anything.

You want to go to the moon? I'm in.

Tulsi Gabbard (0:34)

I believe that.

Joe Rogan (0:35)

Roger.

Tulsi Gabbard (0:37)

But it escalated quickly from there because I didn't know how to get a hold of you.

And then next thing I know, you're texting me with Jocko like, so are you serious? Are we doing this or what?

Joe Rogan (0:46)

Well, it just seemed like such a good idea.

Tulsi Gabbard (0:48)

I agree.

Joe Rogan (0:49)

It's like whoever it was, salute to whoever you are out there. Good job. It just seemed like a wise thing to get together because both of your veterans and both of you, I'm sure, have things you agree on and disagree on. But you're in a really unique position here, you know? And since you've been on the podcast, a lot of things have happened.

The big one is when you rightly called out Kamala Harris on her past and what she's done. And then it seemed like everybody's attacking you. It's like that opened up the floodgates and then there's all these hit pieces on.

And me, as an observer watching from the outside, I was like, wow, look at the machine work. Look at the attack dogs go. Like, look at this.

Tulsi Gabbard (1:31)

Very transparent.

Joe Rogan (1:32)

Ah, so if you're paying attention.

Tulsi Gabbard (1:34)

If you're paying attention.

Joe Rogan (1:35)

The thing is, if you're on the outside and you watch it all happen, then you go, oh, I see what's going on. But if you just happened upon one of those articles, you go, oh, she's an Assad supporter.

Oh, she's a terrible person. Oh, she's a this and a that. And it was amazing. It was amazing to watch. Like, I don't I've never met anybody like like you that's run for president. Like I knew you when people didn't know you that well. And then all of a sudden, people know you way more. And now you're kind of a household name.

So to watch this process and to watch all the machinery sort of move in your direction and pam pam pam, it's very interesting.

Tulsi Gabbard (2:12)

I mean, that that literally is is our challenge here is is we are up against the most powerful overall political machine when you when you look at this, this machine that's revved up their engines to try to, you know, define me as something that casts suspicion or doubts or whatever in people's minds.

You know, pushing information that isn't true or all of these different things. And I think there's a few reasons for it. Our challenge is like, yeah, we are battling the political establishment in Washington. And it's because I'm telling the truth. It's because I'm challenging the status quo that they represent and that they've profited off for for a very long time. So you know, my campaign, we don't take any contributions from PACs or lobbyists fueled completely by contributions from individual people.

And they are outspending us by many, many multiples, where we need help to challenge their narrative with the truth, telling me, hey, this is who I am. This is why I'm running for president. This is the experience in the background that I bring to this job. We've got to be able to bypass that mainstream corporate media and just go directly to voters.

Joe Rogan (3:35)

And what is the experience of being attacked feel like?

Tulsi Gabbard (3:41)

God, I feel like I'm used to it. So, I mean, it's just like it's it's nothing that I've ever really taken personally because I understand the situation, you know, I understand that, you know, whatever the smears are, however radical they are, you know, it shows me that they feel threatened and they are concerned about both the unifying message that I'm bringing because we have Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independents who are joining this coalition that that is fueling our campaign.

And it's a campaign of buy in for the people and one that's that's actually speaking the truth that's calling for an end to these regime change wars, calling for, you know, a de-escalation of tensions between the United States and other nuclear armed countries and end to this new Cold War nuclear arms race, actually, hey, let's focus our limited taxpayer dollars on actually serving the needs of our people. That's really the message that we're bringing and it scares the hell out of them.