#1386 - Matt Taibbi

Joe Rogan (0:03)

So, Jamie pointed out, this congressman, is that who it is? Jamie pointed this out, that there's a congressman, and he released a series of tweets, and the first letter of all these tweets, if you put them all together, it says, Epstein didn't kill himself, or did not kill himself, is that what it is?

SPEAKER_2 (0:22)

It's didn't, he did.

Matt Taibbi (0:23)

How do you do the apostrophe?

Joe Rogan (0:26)

You should have gone with did not.

SPEAKER_2 (0:28)

I'm starting here with that evidence of a link.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

Rep Paul Gosser.

What are the odds that this guy did this accidentally? Really small, right?

Matt Taibbi (0:36)

That's kind of like one of those monkeys typing Shakespeare things. Yeah, I don't think it could work.

Joe Rogan (0:42)

And the thing is, he did it backwards, right? So you didn't see what the puzzle was until the last tweet, because the last tweet is an E.

SPEAKER_2 (0:50)

I got a tweet from someone about 35 minutes ago that, I don't know if there's a bunch of people online paying attention to it or what, but someone alerted me and a few other people of it.

Joe Rogan (0:59)

Does he have an image of that fucking, that crazy mask? Is that in his shit too?

He's a weirdo.

SPEAKER_2 (1:05)

That might be the H of it.

Matt Taibbi (1:06)

He's got the-

SPEAKER_2 (1:07)

Not until that was November 1st.

Matt Taibbi (1:08)

The V mask?

Joe Rogan (1:09)

Yes. What is that mask again?

Matt Taibbi (1:11)

V for Vendetta?

Joe Rogan (1:12)

What is it representative of?

Matt Taibbi (1:14)

It's the Guy Fawkes mask.

Joe Rogan (1:15)

Yes, that's right, that's right. Yeah, so this guy is, he's thinking along alternative lines of thought, but that is really an interesting way of saying it.

Matt Taibbi (1:24)

Alphabetry, that's called.

Joe Rogan (1:25)

Yeah, just making a bunch of tweets, don't ever address it, just leave it there, walk away.

Matt Taibbi (1:30)

Yeah, Lewis Carroll was famous for that.

Joe Rogan (1:32)

Was he?

Matt Taibbi (1:32)

Yeah, that was one of, he did a lot of sort of tricks with words. Did you read the book Goethelecher Bach?

Joe Rogan (1:39)

No.

Matt Taibbi (1:40)

Yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff in there about people who put puzzles in text. It's kind of a thing that people did, I guess, back more in the 18th century and before.

Joe Rogan (1:51)

Well, this Epstein case is probably the most blatant example of a public murder, of a crucial witness I've ever seen in my entire life or anybody's ever seen. And the minimal amount of outrage about this, the minimal amount of cover, it's fucking fascinating.

Matt Taibbi (2:09)

I mean, what's amazing to me just as somebody who works in the media is that this was shaping up to be the biggest like news story in history. And the instant he died or was died or however you want to call it, the story just fell off the face of the earth.

It's like nobody's doing anything about it. And I don't 100% understand that. I mean, I get it why that's happening, but it's just amazing.

Joe Rogan (2:38)

Well, when the woman from ABC, what was her name? Amy Rose, that lady, the one who had the frustrated moment that she called it, a frustrating private moment, when she was talking about having the scoop and having that story and them squashing it.

Matt Taibbi (2:58)

Right.

Joe Rogan (2:59)

Like, this is all stuff that everybody used to think was conspiracy. Everybody thinks this was stoner talk. This was, you know, you know what I mean? Like, this is stuff where people are just delusional. They believe all kinds of wacky conspiracies.

Matt Taibbi (3:13)

Sure.

Joe Rogan (3:14)

But the reality is much less complicated. Well, this is not possible. This is one of those things that's so obvious.

It's so in everyone's face.

Matt Taibbi (3:22)

Well, there's a couple of things going on, because there are many different ways this can play out. I mean, you could have a news director who just sort of instinctively decides, well, we can't do that story because I might want to have Will and Kate on later, or I might want to have this politician on later. And it's not like anybody tells them necessarily that we can't do this, but they-

Joe Rogan (3:42)

They just decide it's too hot.

Matt Taibbi (3:43)

If you grow up in this system and you've been in the business for a long time, you just, you have all these things that are drilled into you at almost like the cellular level about what you can and cannot get into. And I think, but there were some explicit things that happened with Epstein too. I mean, there were a lot of news agencies that killed stories about him, and we're hearing about some of them, Vanity Fair, this thing, so yeah, it's bad.