#1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
And here we go.
First of all, gentlemen, thanks for being here. Jeremy, thanks for coming back again. Thanks Joe. And thanks to you, sir. It's very excited to be here. Very exciting for me to be here to be able to talk to you about your story.

**David Fravor** (0:17)
Thank you. I'm glad to be here.

**Joe Rogan** (0:20)
David, tell everybody who you are and tell everybody your background, please.

**David Fravor** (0:24)
Okay, my name is David Fravor.
I served 24 years in the military, enlisted in the Marine for a couple of years. They sent me to the Naval Academy. Then I flew for 18 years for the Navy, had literally flew A6s, Hornets, and then Super Hornets. Had every qualification you could get in the airplane, everything, even the stuff they're not doing anymore. So I had NVG, high, low, went to Top Gun. And at the time of the incident we're going to talk about, I was a commanding officer of VFA 41, the Black Aces.

**Joe Rogan** (0:56)
I've gone through a journey with this whole UFO stuff from being a full on true believer to being incredibly skeptical to trying to be open minded to being more of a believer now than I think I've ever been before.
And one of the things that I've always said is the people that I believe, there's a lot of loony people out there, but the people that I put my trust in are high level military people like yourself. So when I hear someone like you who has a story that defies logic or defies conventional understanding of how aircrafts work, that's when I sit back and I go, okay, this is a different thing. Because there's always people that are telling you they're psychic or they sense things or they're in communication with Bigfoot, there's always loony people out there. So when someone is in the military, someone is trained to defy these, I mean, how expensive are those jets?

**David Fravor** (1:54)
When we have them, they're about $70 million a piece.

**Joe Rogan** (1:56)
Yeah, they don't give those to morons.

**David Fravor** (1:59)
Typically not. Some people in my family would probably argue that point, but hey, better lucky than good.

**Joe Rogan** (2:05)
It just seems to me that this is for rational people that want to look at this whole UFO phenomenon objectively, you're the type of person that I want to talk to. I was very excited to have you in here.
What year was your incident, and you have a very, very famous incident that's corroborated by actual evidence, which is one of the rare ones. What year was it, and where did it take place?

**David Fravor** (2:33)
It was 2004, November 14th.
If you draw San Diego to Ensenada, Mexico, we're about 60 miles off the coast in between the two. We're doing workups. So when we get ready to deploy, this was for the 2005 deployment. We were going at sea for November and December of 2004 So we had been out. I had just taken over the squadron in mid-October. So I had been the CO for a month.
So we go out, and we're putting the battle group pieces together. So it's not just the air wing, but we're on the carrier, we've got the cruiser, we've got all the support ships out there, and we're going to integrate all the defenses and train as one unit.
So, the exercise that we're going to do is an air defense exercise where there's good guys, bad guys, they're all from internal, from the air wing. So the bad guys today are going to be the Marines, VMFA-232, the Red Devils. So they're going to launch and they're going to go about 100 miles south of the ship, and we're the good guys, and it's, we call it a 2v2, so it's two of us against two of them. And we're going to work with the USS Princeton, which is going to be the controller, and they're going to control the Blue Forces, and then the red guys are going to give us a presentation that, you know, they're going to try and intercept so we can stop them from getting up towards a carrier. So that's kind of the training set that we're all good.
So the Marines take off first, and they start heading to the south. Now, we have no idea that for two weeks, the two weeks we've been at sea, they've been tracking these things coming out of the sky. And when I talk to the Princeton controller, he's like up to about a dozen of them. They would come down from above 80,000 feet, they'd drop down to about 20,000 feet, they'd hang out, and then they'd go straight back up after about three or four hours.