#1327 - Mike Baker

Joe Rogan (0:01)

Boom, boom, boom, what's happening, brother? What's cracking?

Mike Baker (0:06)

It's good to be back. Good to be back.

Joe Rogan (0:07)

Good to see you.

Mike Baker (0:08)

This place is always amazing.

It's like a little, it's a bit of an amusement park almost now, with stuff to see and the gym equipment and everything. I keep thinking I should just bring my gear over and work out before the show or after the show, but I don't want to embarrass myself, so.

Joe Rogan (0:22)

You wouldn't embarrass yourself. I'm not going to watch. You wouldn't want to watch you work out?

Mike Baker (0:26)

He would, he would.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

Jamie's that kind of guy.

Mike Baker (0:28)

Yeah, I've seen him give me side-eye.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

He would give you side-eye.

Mike Baker (0:33)

Yeah, it's all good. Everything's good. I've been traveling a lot. Haven't, we just talked before we started about Idaho. Haven't had a chance to get back there, but yeah, all good, all good.

Joe Rogan (0:42)

So you're around for a television show? Is that what you're doing?

Mike Baker (0:45)

Yeah, this is, there's several meetings going on here, but we just finished filming a show, a reality show for, can I say the network? They're kind of hinky until we get closer to the air date, which is October, but it's for the Discovery Network, and it's gonna be a great show that I'm hosting.

Joe Rogan (1:06)

Why do they not want you to say the name?

Mike Baker (1:07)

Well, you know what, that's what I always said. I always thought free publicity is a good thing, but they're very tight on the marketing protocols, and so they wanna make sure they've got it all buttoned up, and I get that, right? They spend a lot of money on these things.

Joe Rogan (1:20)

Fucking troll freaks.

Mike Baker (1:21)

Yeah, and so anyway, but it's gonna be a great show.

We spent the past three or four months filming it around the country, really good production team, and the stories are fantastic. It's basically looking at, I guess I'm talking about it, I'm not supposed to, but we're looking at military government organizations that are typically in the shadows, right? We're not releasing any sources and methods, we're not disclosing any classified secrets, but we're talking about elements and units, operational activity, events that before now, I've pretty much been in the shadows, and some incredible people. That's one of the best parts about this thing, it's been going out there and meeting some of these guys that are doing some of this high-speed shit, and it's pretty amazing.

Joe Rogan (2:06)

When they do release things, like long, long after, I was reading something, I forget what the case was about, but it was something about how the files won't be released under the Freedom of Information Act until 2080 How do you...

SPEAKER_3 (2:21)

Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan (2:22)

How do they make that... That was the thing with the Kennedy assassination, right?

Mike Baker (2:26)

And sometimes they roll it over, and it's not even then, right? So sometimes they extend that.

Other times they don't, and so some information comes to light periodically.

And so this does look at... This show will be looking at some historic, but a lot of current things that are going on and where the money goes. What are we spending our money on when it comes to this high-speed operation? The special forces and others are involved in. So it'll be very good. I was lucky to be able to work with, again, some really great people on the production side, but just also going out there and meeting some of these cats. The shit that they do is... Even after being around a while, as I have, it just amazes me.

Joe Rogan (3:07)

Well, it's gotta be constantly accelerating too, right? They're constantly coming up with new and spectacular things that nobody knows about until they employ them.

Mike Baker (3:15)

Right, and sometimes the shit stays on the shelf, right?

It was like the running joke at the agency at the CIA was, we have a fantastic S&T group, a science and technology group. And they're the ones responsible, like Q from Bond, right? They're the ones responsible for developing all the gear, responding to specific operational requirements. How are we gonna do this particular thing? Well, let's develop a piece of kit that's gonna allow us to do it.

But the running joke is always that they'll develop it, and they'll show it to you before an operation, but then they'll put it back on the shelf because they don't want that shit getting out there, right? And people finding out that they've got it. So they'll give you like a 20 year old piece of kit to use instead. And you'll be walking around with like a phone the size of a brick, knowing that they've got something high speed on the shelf.