#1300 - Michael Malice

Joe Rogan (0:02)

Boom, here we go. What's up, buddy?

Good to see you.

Jamie Vernon (0:04)

Great.

Michael Malice (0:05)

Good to be here.

Joe Rogan (0:05)

We were talking before the podcast about people who get mad when I have you on, like as if you're some sort of a monster, if you're a mean person, like we were just saying, you're a New York Jew, you're snarky, you say funny things. But this idea that you're a Nazi or something, like, people have gotten so crazy.

Michael Malice (0:24)

I like that this is this icebreaker. Hey, welcome to my show, by the way, why do people think you're a Nazi?

Joe Rogan (0:28)

Because someone sent me, I don't read comments on Twitter, but someone sent me something like you having this guy on today.

And I'm like, that is so hilarious. I go, this guy is, yeah, there's some shit you say I don't agree with.

Michael Malice (0:40)

Sure.

Joe Rogan (0:40)

You're very reasonable and very intelligent.

Michael Malice (0:42)

Yeah, the last chapter of the book is me arguing with the Nazi.

Joe Rogan (0:45)

Conversation folks.

It's not bad. It's not bad to talk to people.

Michael Malice (0:50)

Well, it's kind of for them a religious thing, right? If someone is a sinner, you can't acknowledge them. They have to be outside of the fort.

Joe Rogan (0:57)

That's a good way to look at it. That is what it is.

You know, what's interesting, it's I know these people don't mean to do this. This is not their plan. But if you wanted to keep Donald Trump in office, the way the people that oppose Donald Trump are behaving is the perfect way to keep them in office.

Michael Malice (1:15)

If you tell high schoolers, if you smoke, your parents are going to get upset and the teacher is going to get upset, that's the biggest cigarette commercial, right?

Joe Rogan (1:23)

Right?

Michael Malice (1:24)

So, you tell these kids, hey, if you go to these websites and read these books, then your parents and the establishment and the teachers are all going to be afraid of you.

Well, sign me up. I mean, it's as simple as that. It's the same exact psychology, and they're driving people to the fringe.

Joe Rogan (1:41)

They are. And the deplatforming thing is fascinating because the way this stuff works, folks, is when people get deplatformed, the first people that will get deplatformed are people that you agree with getting deplatformed.

People like, you know, like a real Nazi, like someone who's an avowed white supremacy. Like, yeah, deplatform that guy.

And then it's a little slippery because then it's like this guy's a suspected Nazi or this guy is friends with a Nazi or this guy had a Nazi on his show. This guy had a white supremacist on his show. This guy had a guy who thinks it's okay to be white on his show. And then it gets more, as it gets more and more progressive, it gets more and more preposterous. But it really is grades. Once you accept one grade, then you drop below in a little bit more preposterous, and then that's acceptable. And then a little bit more, and then that becomes acceptable.

Michael Malice (2:31)

And it's a double standard between people who are Orthodox and people who are unorthodox. Barbara Walters sat down with Castro. She sat down with Gaddafi, who's killed how many people? That's fine. You could sit down with the murderous dictator if you're Gaddafi.

If you sit down with someone on a podcast with someone who has important views, that is somehow different.

Joe Rogan (2:50)

What's a new thing?

Michael Malice (2:52)

Right.

Joe Rogan (2:52)

There's a platforming and de-platforming, and you putting this guy on your platform. Like all this kind of communication is very new. I just didn't exist. No one was saying that to Mike Wallace. No one was saying that as you're saying to Barbara Walters. That was my argument to the data and society lady. I said, I said, Barbara Walters interviewed Fidel Castro. Does that make her a communist?

Michael Malice (3:12)

Right.

Joe Rogan (3:13)

I interviewed Milo. Am I a gay conservative provocateur now?

Michael Malice (3:16)

Are you?

Joe Rogan (3:17)

I don't think so. I need to go to a doctor.

Michael Malice (3:19)

Well, I mean, what they're trying to do is, thanks to social media, they no longer have a monopoly. And I don't mean they, I just mean like orthodox thought. It doesn't mean left-wing or right-wing. Orthodox thought no longer has a monopoly on the microphone.

And that's very dangerous if you want to basically set the boundaries of what acceptable discourse is. Same thing with, forget politics, suck up music, right?