#1248 - Bill Ottman

Joe Rogan (0:02)

Five, four, three, two, one.

Legit. Hello, Bill.

Bill Ottman (0:11)

Hey, man.

Joe Rogan (0:11)

What's going on?

Here. You are here.

Bill Ottman (0:14)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (0:14)

With a book. You got a book of shit.

Bill Ottman (0:16)

I got a book.

Joe Rogan (0:16)

You come prepared.

Bill Ottman (0:17)

I mean, yeah, I'm trying to write. I'm trying to get back into handwriting.

Joe Rogan (0:20)

For people who don't know, Bill is the CEO and co-founder of minds.com, and we've been going back and forth through email, and you got hoaxed by some dude who said he was Joey Diaz.

Bill Ottman (0:29)

It did happen.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

He really believed. You're like, Joey's been on my network, and I'm like, mmm.

Bill Ottman (0:34)

He was messaging me in Joey's voice, basically cloning it. There's weird people out there, man.

Joe Rogan (0:40)

Yeah. Well, that's not hard to do.

Bill Ottman (0:42)

You know?

Joe Rogan (0:43)

You watch enough Joey.

Bill Ottman (0:44)

Basically just cloning his tweets.

Joe Rogan (0:46)

Cock sucker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, every Monday morning or so, there's a tweet about someone needs to suck your dick.

They need to suck your dick. You need to let them know. That's on the regular. What's the notes, man?

Bill Ottman (1:04)

Just some ramblings from this morning. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:08)

Important stuff?

Bill Ottman (1:09)

This is actually the first thing that I've written in this notebook. I've not been doing handwriting much at all in the last years, probably.

Mostly digital, which is not good because I actually major in English.

Joe Rogan (1:22)

Yeah, you definitely lose your ability to write words. It's funny, I tried writing in, for whatever reason, I write mostly in all caps, because I mostly just write notes, but I tried writing with lowercase letters, and then I tried writing in cursive, and my cursive is like, it's almost like I have to relearn it.

Bill Ottman (1:39)

Yeah, I was finding it just trailing off at the end of certain words, but I blend it all together.

Joe Rogan (1:45)

You what?

Bill Ottman (1:45)

I blend it all together with capital and lowercase.

Joe Rogan (1:48)

Oh, why you do that?

Bill Ottman (1:49)

I mean, well, just as a normal person would, proper grammar.

Joe Rogan (1:53)

I thought you were just mixing them up randomly.

Bill Ottman (1:55)

No, no. Though I did write my college thesis in all lowercase.

Joe Rogan (2:00)

Why?

Bill Ottman (2:00)

Typed.

Joe Rogan (2:02)

Were we protesting?

Bill Ottman (2:03)

Yeah, kind of. It was stupid.

Joe Rogan (2:05)

It's like a cool move, right? I'm not going to use any uppercase. Who cares, man?

Bill Ottman (2:09)

There's weird, like, postmodern theory about, like, capitalization. And that's kind of what I was talking about. I got a little bit indoctrinated at UVM.

Joe Rogan (2:17)

Really?

Bill Ottman (2:18)

Yeah.

Yeah. They're like, they, this one class was called Critical Theory.

Joe Rogan (2:23)

Which one is UVM?

Bill Ottman (2:24)

Vermont.

Joe Rogan (2:25)

Vermont, yeah. Oh, Vermont is like super social justice-y, right?

Bill Ottman (2:30)

And paved with good intentions.

Joe Rogan (2:32)

Yeah, yeah. They have great ice cream up there, too.

Nice folks.

Bill Ottman (2:36)

But, like, this one class was called Critical Theory, and we had to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer and apply, like, Marxist theory to it to show how, like, it's the rise up of the lower class. It's like you're forced to write these papers in, like, a certain way.

Joe Rogan (2:54)

Yeah?

Bill Ottman (2:54)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (2:55)

What are they trying to prove?

Bill Ottman (2:58)

Class division.

Joe Rogan (3:00)

Class division? In Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

Bill Ottman (3:03)

It's there. There's, like, books and books written about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. What? Marxism. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:08)

Come on.

Bill Ottman (3:09)

Not kidding.

Joe Rogan (3:09)

Really? Yep.

What do they have to say?

Bill Ottman (3:12)

I don't remember.

Joe Rogan (3:17)

It's amazing. I mean, I'm sure you're aware of James Lindsay and Peter Boghossian and what is it, the other woman's name? Yes.

Helen. Shit. I didn't meet her, unfortunately. The Grieving Studies hoaxes, that they submitted a bunch of fake studies to these journals and not only got reviewed, but got lauded and praised for their academic scholarship.

Bill Ottman (3:43)

Yeah, I think that stemmed from this guy, Sokol, who first trolled a lot of the postmodern journals.

And he was the first. And so it's called a Sokol hoax to do that kind of trolling.

Joe Rogan (3:55)