#1174 - Vinnie Paz

Joe Rogan (0:02)

If they don't fuck up, I don't trust them.

Vinnie Paz (0:05)

My father used to say, if someone doesn't say the word fuck, or if their name is an initial, don't trust them.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

Yeah, that's such a creepy one. Initials are creepy.

Vinnie Paz (0:14)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

But you never know. It's not a hard, fast rule.

Vinnie Paz (0:18)

No, I give everyone the fair shake, but I'm looking...

Joe Rogan (0:20)

Yeah, hmm. If they fricken, if they're all the time, it's fricken this and fricken...

Vinnie Paz (0:25)

Or Mickey Ficky.

Joe Rogan (0:26)

Yeah.

Vinnie Paz (0:26)

I heard that one time.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

Oh, I never heard that one.

Vinnie Paz (0:28)

Yeah, someone said Mickey Fick. Yeah, I wasn't happy about it.

Joe Rogan (0:31)

Shut the front door is one like moms like to do around their kids.

Vinnie Paz (0:34)

Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan (0:36)

Yeah.

Vinnie Paz (0:37)

I come from a WAP South Philly family, so it's like a fucking Richard Pryor... You know, the seven fishes on Christmas Eve is like a Richard, is like him on the Sunset Strip.

Joe Rogan (0:48)

You know who surprisingly doesn't swear? Teddy Atlas.

Vinnie Paz (0:51)

I know Teddy doesn't...

I've seen, you know how animated he... I don't have to tell you. He was just on the show. He was very animated, but yeah, he doesn't really...

Joe Rogan (0:59)

Yeah, it's like fricking this and fricking that.

Vinnie Paz (1:01)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:02)

What the frick? He says, what the frick?

Vinnie Paz (1:04)

It's nuts.

Joe Rogan (1:05)

Yeah.

You know who also doesn't swear? Henry Rollins.

Vinnie Paz (1:08)

Rollins does not.

Joe Rogan (1:09)

Does not swear.

Vinnie Paz (1:10)

Yeah, but...

Joe Rogan (1:11)

And he makes note of it. Note that I don't swear.

Vinnie Paz (1:13)

I mean, I feel like that happened in the second half of his life because Black Flag Records, not so much.

Joe Rogan (1:21)

Yeah, I think he's trying to get... I don't want to say more people to listen to him trying to be more mainstream, but he's trying to eliminate the noise in what he's doing.

Vinnie Paz (1:31)

Sure. He's a brilliant mind.

Joe Rogan (1:33)

He is.

Vinnie Paz (1:35)

Unlike me. I mean, you're really...

Rogan, you've hit a little snag here. Teddy Atlas, Jordan Peterson, Shapiro, Henry Rollins, then this.

Joe Rogan (1:46)

No, dude. I love your music. Thank you, man.

Vinnie Paz (1:48)

Get the fuck out of here.

Joe Rogan (1:51)

You were saying about fuck ups before the show, I was saying, I don't know anybody who's an artist who doesn't fuck things up. If you're really creative... There's something about being legitimately creative. There has to be something wrong with you.

Vinnie Paz (2:02)

Well, you're wired differently. So what we perceive as... What people perceive as fucking up isn't to us.

So technically, it's a fuck up, but in reality, to us, it's just behavioral... It's just how it works, I think.

Joe Rogan (2:20)

It's just traits. Yeah, sure. If you were working in an office in human resources, there's no way.

Vinnie Paz (2:25)

I'd be gone in like three hours.

But before that, I'd probably put a bullet through my head if I was in a cubicle. Just give up at that point.

Joe Rogan (2:34)

Some people can do it, though. Some people, it's not a problem.

Vinnie Paz (2:37)

No. They're just wired that way from... I knew from such an early age that now I'm not wired this way. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan (2:46)

Yeah, me too. Yeah, I was terrified of getting a job when I was a child.

Vinnie Paz (2:51)

Yeah, it's fearful. But what you've done, though, man, it's... I've told you how much of a fan I am, but I'm such a fan of how punk rock... You've built all of this outside of.

What you were expected to do. This show is a fuck you, really.

Joe Rogan (3:13)

It's just what it is. You know what I mean? I mean, this is what happens when you don't calculate.

Well, there's no... You just do what you want to do. This is what happens.

Vinnie Paz (3:21)

But people don't have the balls to do that.

Joe Rogan (3:23)

It's a little bit balls. It's a little bit... Fear Factor gave me a lot of financial freedom. That helped, too.

Vinnie Paz (3:29)

Sure.

Joe Rogan (3:31)

Yeah. News Radio did a little bit, but Fear Factor did way more. Just gave me enough money so I go, okay, the money part I got.