#1173 - Geoffrey Miller

Joe Rogan (0:02)

4, 3, 2, 1 Geoffrey.

Geoffrey Miller (0:08)

Hey. Hey, Joe.

Joe Rogan (0:09)

Thanks for being here, man. Appreciate it.

Geoffrey Miller (0:11)

It's my pleasure and honor.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

And on the day where Bill Cosby goes to the Bokeh. Crazy.

Geoffrey Miller (0:16)

Sad story, that.

Joe Rogan (0:18)

Sad for some people, happy for others, sad that he's only going away for... I wonder if that's a death sentence for a man at his age.

Essentially it is, right? He's like 81 or something like that.

Geoffrey Miller (0:30)

It would be weird if justice took into account like your health status in awarding sentences.

Joe Rogan (0:34)

Right. I think they have done that though. Didn't they do that with that guy who was speaker, Hastert, who was speaker of the House, who was convicted for molesting a large number of boys when he was a wrestling coach?

Geoffrey Miller (0:50)

Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:50)

Do you remember that man? Yeah.

Jamie Vernon (0:52)

15 months.

Joe Rogan (0:53)

15 months. Imagine.

I mean, that's pure insanity.

Jamie Vernon (0:59)

He was in a wheelchair when he was going through.

Geoffrey Miller (1:00)

Yeah.

Jamie Vernon (1:00)

It could have been.

Joe Rogan (1:01)

Well, there's no way if he was a 25-year-old able-bodied man who had done the exact same thing, he would have gone to jail for 15 months for admitting to molest a large number of kids who were under his care when he was a wrestling coach, right?

Geoffrey Miller (1:20)

Yeah. Oh, he was the guy the movie was made of?

No. That was a different guy.

Joe Rogan (1:24)

That was DuPont.

DuPont was not a child molester. He was just a psychopath who hired wrestlers to come live with him and wrestle with him.

Geoffrey Miller (1:34)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:34)

Remember that?

Geoffrey Miller (1:35)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:36)

Yeah. I know one of them, one of the main guy, the movie, the two brothers, Dave and Mark Schultz, fantastic wrestlers who were completely misrepresented in the movie. They made him out to be involved in this weird gay relationship with him and doing cocaine and all. They added all sorts of shit to that movie.

Very weird how they do that.

Geoffrey Miller (2:01)

Screenwriters, you got to dramatize it.

Joe Rogan (2:03)

I guess.

Jamie Vernon (2:04)

His sentence wasn't for child abuse. That's why it wasn't that.

This is the judge said it would have been higher, he would have gotten more if the statutes didn't run out. The limitation for acts in the 1960s and 70s ran out, so the judge noted the punishment for such a conviction would have been far worse. I think he actually got convicted for bank transactions, keeping stuff secret.

Joe Rogan (2:26)

Oh, wow.

Jamie Vernon (2:27)

Yeah, he had to pay fines.

Joe Rogan (2:29)

Statutes of limitations. So we were talking about Bill Cosby, that psychology professors and experts were obviously stating that he had some sort of problem.

Geoffrey Miller (2:45)

I mean, it's weird because the media will have a certain narrative they want to promote and they'll sort of find the psychologists who will say the thing that fits that. So I think most clinical psychologists would say, I've never talked to the guy. I'm not going to try to diagnose him from a distance. I have no idea what his condition is or what his issue is. But then there's a handful who are willing to kind of stick their necks out and say something.

And man, it's embarrassing to be a psych professor for that reason because you're always kind of being represented publicly by the people who are kind of being least professional about those kind of diagnoses.

Joe Rogan (3:21)

That is a real problem today, isn't it? Like in terms of identity politics and this inclination to draw conclusions and to lean towards one side or the other instead of just looking at the actual situation objectively. And if you're not talking to him, I mean, I'm assuming Bill Cosby is a terrible piece of shit as a human being.

That's what I'm assuming by looking at all this, but I've never talked to the man. I don't know what kind of crazy shit he's got going on in his head, but if all these women are telling the truth and seem super unlikely that they're all lying, I mean, was there like over 50 of them, right? With the same story?

Geoffrey Miller (3:59)

Well, he's got a deep dark streak, that's for sure. I mean, the weird thing is, though, a lot of people who are successful have a little bit of that dark streak, they have a little bit of that sociopathy. Like, they can kind of step back from normal human relations and they can either turn it into abuse and exploitation like Cosby did, or they can kind of civilize themselves, right? And they can harness that to do something that's good and where they're kind of using their ability to take a different viewpoint on things.