#1124 - Robert Schoch

Joe Rogan (0:00)

Ready, five, four, three, two, one.

Mr. Schoch, first of all, thank you very, very, very much for being here. I've been following your work for a long time now, and I'm very appreciative of you, and very appreciative of everything you've done, and I've been fascinated by the subject of ancient Egypt. So I'm really, I'm really excited, very psyched.

Robert Schoch (0:23)

Thank you, it's a real pleasure to be here. I've heard a lot about your show, I've heard a lot about you, my, of course, the late John Anthony West, I think was on with you a couple of times maybe.

He was very proud that, I guess, you did the only full Skype interview with him.

Joe Rogan (0:40)

Yeah, that's the only one I've ever done is with him.

Robert Schoch (0:42)

Yeah, he used to like to talk about that, so.

Joe Rogan (0:44)

Well, I just had to talk to him, and he was in upstate New York at the time, and it was just, he really didn't have any plans to come down here, and I just, I was very fortunate to one day get him in studio though.

Robert Schoch (0:56)

It was really nice. So, it's been wonderful.

Joe Rogan (1:00)

Well, his work, that DVD series that he did, Magical Egypt, was amazing. And I had seen your work before that in that Mysteries of the Sphinx thing that was narrated by Charlton Heston.

Robert Schoch (1:12)

Charlton Heston, NBC, 1993 I think in many ways it was the mystery of the Sphinx that really broke everything open, it brought everything to the public attention. I've had many people tell me, I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm just saying factually that this really opened up a new field, if we could put it that way. A new way of looking at things in the popular, among the popular public. Press, the popular media, but people around the world versus the academic scholarly journals and the back and forth, that type of thing. You have to remember, I'm a faculty member, I'm at Boston University, I'm an academic.

And many of the academics have poo-pooed, should we say, over the years, bringing things to the public, but I think it's been important to do.

Joe Rogan (2:01)

Now, what we're talking about for the people that are uninformed is the idea that some of the structures in ancient Egypt are far older than conventional wisdom or conventional modern day archaeology, modern day Egyptologist. They would like us to believe that all of this spawned from a very specific time period.

And people like John Anthony West and yourself and some other folks like Graham Hancock are proposing that it's entirely possible that there were many different eras of construction in Egypt and that there are some structures that are far, far older than we think.

Robert Schoch (2:37)

Yeah, exactly. And this, what I was alluding to is this really opened up with our work on redating the Great Sphinx. And I think you know the story, but maybe just to summarize in the smallest of nutshell, John Anthony West, before I met him, he became a follower, should we say? I shouldn't say follower, because that sounds wrong. That sounds like it's a religion dogma. But he became interested in the work of the late Schwalder de Lubitsch, who died, passed away in 1961 But he had mentioned in one line that the Sphinx had been weathered by rain, I would say precipitation, as a geologist, not wind and sand. So this, if it were true, and it is true, would put the Sphinx back to a much earlier period, which would tie in with Schwalder's work and John Anthony West's subsequent work that there were indications that dynastic Egypt, as we know it, going back to about 3000 BC was really a legacy of what I call now an earlier cycle of civilization.

Something that goes back much, much earlier, which at this point I date back to the end of the last Ice Age.

Ice Age ended 9700 BC, just to put it in perspective for people.

Joe Rogan (3:52)

So when did you first get on board with this? Did John Anthony West come to you?

Robert Schoch (3:58)

John Anthony West, okay, so the story goes this way. John Anthony West published Serpent in the Sky, his probably most famous book, first edition, 1979 He was then looking for someone that could really validate or at least assess from a scientific point of view, this theory about the Sphinx, which he had just barely sort of touched the surface based on Schwaller that maybe it could be older, but this was really a geological question. He mentions that in 1979 in Serpent in the Sky.