#107 Circadian Biology, Keto, Fasting, and Calorie Cycling with Mike Mutzel

Mike Mutzel (0:00)

We do have some animal model studies where they were able to give out of season fruit to both rats and both monkeys, and they found that they gained more visceral and the different lipogenic, like fat forming enzymes were upregulated compared to when they ate that fruit in season. But a lot of people live and die by these kind of templated formulas, and they have the same amount of nutrients every single day.

And we know from adaptive thermogenesis, we know from controlled feeding studies, the body adapts to what you do, right? If you lift weights or you walk the same pace in the same distance and time every day, your body quickly adapts. So, you know, have oscillating your calories is good to keep your metabolism from just adapting and then possibly slowing down.

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Welcome to the Body Mind Empowerment Podcast. I'm your host, Siim Land, and our guest today is Mike Mutzel. Mike is the host of High Intensity Health Podcast and YouTube channel.

He's also a MS in clinical nutrition, an author speaker, and a functional medicine consultant.

Mike, welcome to the show.

Mike Mutzel (1:14)

Siim, thanks so much for having me on. It's great to be here.

Siim Land (1:16)

Yeah, we actually met like a few weeks ago and in the Metabolic Hill Summit in LA. So what have you been up to like over the past month or so?

Mike Mutzel (1:25)

Yeah, great question. What have I been up to?

Well, we processed our first turkey in the backyard. So we, it's Thanksgiving is big around here in the US and my brother-in-law didn't want to have our turkey. He had some other ideas. So we let these turkeys get bigger and bigger and we had backyard chickens and two pigs and stuff like that. And the turkeys just started because spring is coming here in Seattle, they started fighting like crazy. So we have two male turkeys and one female.

And the two males were going nuts over the female, it was weird. So we had to process the turkey, one of the males. And so that was interesting, like the last weeks, we've been eating a lot more meat than normal because he was massive. He was like, not massive, but he lived a lot longer than he probably would have if he was at another farm.

So that was interesting, just like going through that. So I'm working on a video to like share with people kind of that journey. And it's really kind of changed my perspective around meat consumption, because it takes a lot of resources to grow animals and it's a lot of time. And then, you know, once you kill them, they go through rigor mortis and you need to let that you know, you need to brine them and let that so it was just read the whole process just had me think so much differently about food, which was kind of fun. So that's been unique. And, you know, like you, I do a lot of research, you know, here at home and I like to like help people interpret studies and, and help them find kind of salient points from research that you know, because some people, they don't know how to go into PubMed or find that you know, how you can look at a study, then look at the referencing studies and then pick it. It's like this whole rabbit hole in this network of like trying to figure out, you know, how we can manipulate our biology in a positive way to influence our health. So that's what I've been up to.

Siim Land (3:02)

Yeah, that's for sure. Like there's definitely a lot of, you know, most people, the only nutrition advice they get comes from the social media channels like YouTube, podcasts, Instagram, and so on. So they never actually, you know, go into the real studies.

So we as influencers, so to say, have quite a lot of responsibility in terms of giving people the actual like advice and making sure that it's quality and it's actually like true to a certain extent, or at least it's what the science says.

Mike Mutzel (3:31)

Totally. That's such a good point, you know, and like we all have our biases. I know you love autophagy and we both share a mutual interest in keto.

And so I try to, although I am very biased, I try to like remove that as much as possible and not get too overexcited or to oversell something, a concept or a belief or an ideology and try to step back. And I really do like to listen to like the calories in calories out folks to see what they're saying and to like say, okay, am I right or am I wrong here? I think it's good to like hear both sides of the story. And that challenges our own beliefs and causes us to dig deeper and learn new information. So I encourage all people listening or watching this because we get into these biased bubbles and we only seek out information that reinforces what we already want to hear and know more about. So it's really great to listen to people that have opposing viewpoints, obviously, if they're rational and sane and if they are too drawing upon science. So yeah, it's an interesting way to just continue to learn and evolve.