#1039 - Iliza Shlesinger

Joe Rogan (0:05)

So tell me about your book.

I got it here. Girl Logic. What is the difference between girl, oh, the genius and the absurdity. What's the difference between girl logic and boy logic? Or do you know? Because I don't know.

Iliza Shlesinger (0:22)

I can't tell you exactly the way men think, because I think if I did that, I'd be like, slow your roll.

This book is about me noticing that women are always called crazy, psycho, psychopath, psycho bitch, oh, she's insane. We always write off women as crazy. And women are expected to be so many things to so many people at once. And it's these expectations that we have to take into account all of this, and we try to be so many things at once, and we have to take in so much stimuli to process all this. So our logic is sort of this circumlocutious way of thinking that seems insane.

Joe Rogan (0:59)

Slow that word down. What was that? Circumlocutious?

Iliza Shlesinger (1:01)

Sort of like going around in circles, right?

Joe Rogan (1:03)

How does that work? Say it again? Circumlocutious. Ooh, big word.

Iliza Shlesinger (1:07)

Whatever.

Joe Rogan (1:08)

I like that. I've never heard that before.

Iliza Shlesinger (1:09)

So it's like, I'd never heard of the mad cow thing you were telling me earlier. And I was like, oh my God, are we on?

As you were talking about it, I was like, please don't make me look stupid. I don't know about elk having crazy brains. But I just, the boilerplate example is you say to a girl, what do you want to eat? And that's always an argument. It's like this common trope, like my wife could never figure it out. But it has less to do with women wanting to be difficult and more the pressure on just that one decision. If I say pizza, am I doing a diet? Do I have to be in a bathing suit later? Did I go to the gym already? Am I expected to be thin in this society? And we take all of this into account for every micro decision.

And it's all about processing how we don't let everyone, including ourselves, down and all the thought that goes into it.

Joe Rogan (1:53)

Well, now this is you specifically. Like, obviously, you're not speaking for all women.

Iliza Shlesinger (2:01)

I actually am.

Joe Rogan (2:01)

You got the title?

Iliza Shlesinger (2:03)

I got the rights to it. I polled 10 women. They were like, it's cool. It's sort of just honoring the fact that we get painted with these broad brushstrokes and there's so many and there's just so much that goes into the littlest things because we have to take into account how other people feel. So it's easy to say, oh, just be yourself. But when you're a woman, other people's perceptions of you can have detrimental effects on your future, on your safety, on your health.

She seems slutty, so she deserved it. She seems like a bitch. I don't want to give her a chance.

So our perception versus the way that we are, we're constantly wrestling with these two sort of realities.

Joe Rogan (2:39)

Yeah, yeah, I've often wondered, like, if you could, like, I believe that one day they're going to be able to, you know, today we have transgender people, right? We have people who decide to have operations, decide to take hormones. But I think one day they're going to be able to literally turn a person into a woman.

Iliza Shlesinger (3:01)

With like a shot?

Joe Rogan (3:02)

Yeah, well, not with some sort of treatment. I just feel like it sounds crazy to say today, people say, no, you can't change your chromosomes. Well, today you can't change your chromosomes. But 200 years ago, the idea of sending a video to someone in Australia would be ridiculous, right? So like what we've been able to do just over a short period of time relatively is pretty staggering. And if you look at like what they're doing with CRISPR, do you know what CRISPR is?

It's gene editing tools that they keep evolving.

They've gotten them to the point where they're starting to work on human embryos, non-viable human embryos, and they're changing the expressions of certain genes, change genes, like stopping genes for certain diseases and there's, you're right.

Iliza Shlesinger (3:43)

Yeah. I don't like this chair.

I knew it was expensive, fancy chair, but it was weird.

Joe Rogan (3:47)

It can drop if you want to.

Iliza Shlesinger (3:48)

I like to have my legs close to my heart.

Joe Rogan (3:51)

Interesting. But the idea is that they're going to be able to like make designer people.