“100 Kids Isn’t Crazy Anymore” – Billionaires Redefining Fatherhood

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**Valuetainment** (0:30)
Kid Maxing. Ultimate state status symbol.
Kids Maxing. I mean, we've heard about looks maxing, all this stuff. Kids Maxing, and this is a New York Times story. It's not like it's a New York Times story. So let me get to it. What is this kids maxing stuff? And birth rates are falling across much of the developed world, but some ultra wealthy men are pursuing fatherhood on an unprecedented scale, using surrogacy, sperm donation, IVF, and other reproductive technologies.
They are creating dozens or even hundreds of children, highlighting what is described as inequality made flesh at a time when many ordinary families feel they cannot afford even one child. Examples include Stefan Soloviev, who has 22 children, Pavel Durov, who is a Telegram guy, who says his sperm donations have produced more than 100 children. Greg Lindberg, who reported, expanded his family to at least 12 children through what he called a baby project and claims that some wealthy Chinese businessmen have sought to father hundreds of children through US surrogacy agencies. Elon Musk, who has 14 known children, reportedly who wants to use surrogate to reach a legion level and joked at Durov's total represented rookie numbers, half of my ass off Genghis Khan. Many of these men appear to view spreading their DNA as a public good. Musk has said smart or even rich people should have more children. Durov called the sperm high quality donor material. Jeffrey Epstein reportedly admired a sperm bank associated with Nobel Prize winners. The common thread is a belief that their bloodlines deserve to be multiplied. Modern reproductive technology allows these ambitions to expand far beyond historical limits. IVF and surrogacy make it possible to create many pregnancies simultaneously while selecting traits such as sex or screening embryos for disease. One egg donor said Lindbergh wanted 12 blonde haired, blue-eyed boys, while Epstein's email reflected a similar fixation on blue eyes. Musk has reportedly used polygenic embryo screening. Tom, what do you think about the story?

**Tom** (2:37)
So I wonder if the New York Times understands that kid maxing involves not having abortions.

**Valuetainment** (2:45)
It seems like you are so funny. It seems you're a comic, Tom.

**Tom** (2:51)
No, no, no. I'm just wondering if the New York Times.

**Vinnie** (2:53)
I'm actually with Tom on that. I wonder if they realize he deserves.

**Tom** (2:57)
I wonder if the editorial board realizes what this story actually meant.
So you know what? This has been going on for a while. I mean, you go back. The reason they bring up Genghis Khan is because there were these leaders in history that wanted to have many kids and they wanted their heritage to be spread. And so, you know, do I think that there's people out there doing this? Yeah, I do. You know, I think it's kind of messed up. I think if you're going to have kids, make them yours, you and your wife, raise them, you know, build great citizens out of them, build great people out of them.
That's what I think. You know, I've just creating a larger mob in the name of yourself. And, you know, we saw the flaw in the Epstein where he wrote about that. We saw that terrible, terrible flaw where you're just out there trying to, you know, spread your progeny everywhere. And so, you know, I see the impulse to it. But if you want to have a big family, make it yours. Raise them yours.

**Vinnie** (3:56)
Adam.
This is an interesting conversation. Obviously, Elon Musk is leading the league on kid maxing.
But it's just evidence that as a man, you know, they say the rich get richer. You're familiar with the K-shaped economy. You know, the top is doing well and the bottom is doing poorly. This is just evidence that if you're a man and you kind of get your stuff together, you have options. Now, I'm not condoning something like this, but I understand that there's a lot of guys that do. I'll actually tell you a funny story about that. But the top 10% of men, whether it becomes looks maxing or money maxing or status maxing, you have options. And what are the options that you have? Where to live, what to do, what women, and what you want to do with your children. So juxtapose that with the bottom 50% of men are just trying to get a girlfriend, much less married, much less kid maxing out here and having multiple kids from multiple moms. I'll tell you a quick story. I don't think it's a secret. The Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate and some of their friends, we were talking about this one time and they were like, listen, I have this thing and I have this thing and I have this thing and all these different women and these different kids. And I said, I hear you guys and they're kind of advocating, this is maybe something you're interested in doing. I go, guys, it sounds really complicated. Like how are you dealing with time zones, baby mama drama, baby drama? They're like, listen, you got to be built for this. I go, guys, respectfully, I don't think I'm built for this. I'm just trying to do one right now. So, I understand that really, really rich guys maybe want to do something like this, but I just want to give PBD a shout out. Four kids, leader. I think most men understand that, you know, have a family, have kids, raise them, be with them together, and that's probably the best approach. But again, I'm not going to hate on the guys that want to have the benefits of success.