What Prosecutors Found When They Decoded Mackenzie Shirilla’s Prison Calls

**SPEAKER_1** (0:01)
This is HiddenKillers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke.

**Tony Brueski** (0:08)
Another case that's still getting a lot of comments here, and since we're doing Q&A this morning, drop them. The crash, Mackenzie Shirilla, two boys are dead, Dominic Russo is 20, Davion Flanagan 19 Mackenzie Shirilla drove 100 miles an hour into a brick wall, and a judge called her literal hell on wheels. But our audience isn't just asking about Mackenzie anymore. Netflix of course put the parents on camera, the prison calls are public, the question that keeps coming back isn't about guilt, it's about who spent 17 years building the person who got behind that wheel. And a lot of your questions are focused on the parents. We've talked about the parents in depth, but we'll do another round of it right here. Feel free to drop them into the comment section wherever you're watching us on the live right now or if you're watching the replay, go ahead and drop them. This conversation is far from over. Robin Dreeke, of course, with us, retired FBI Special Agency for the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Let's go with this one. Steve Shirilla went on Netflix and said he didn't have a problem with his daughter smoking weed. He said, if you're going to smoke a drug, that's the one you should take. He was teaching at a Catholic elementary school.
And I think the thing that everyone goes to, how do you say that on camera and not see what happens next? Dawn on YouTube had that one. Because I don't think he makes good decisions.
And that's the answer. Robin?

**Robin Dreeke** (1:33)
It just says it all right there. I mean, his lack of understanding of cause and effect in any aspect of life, it's just such a supreme arrogance to think that you're smarter and better than absolutely everyone around you, the people that employ you, the police, the public, you name it.
That is a person living in a huge, self-centered, self-righteous methodology. And so what do our kids learn? Our kids learn from our behaviors how to interact with the world around us. And if your daughter thinks you're a successful person, because X, Y, and Z, they're going to do exactly the same behaviors that you do because they think it's a successful path in life. And that's why the adage, Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So that was just, again, emotional intelligence. Part of emotional intelligence is our understanding our impact on others and how that affects them. And this person is completely oblivious to what cultural and societal norms at the place that employs you expect you to do.

**Tony Brueski** (2:41)
Another thing with that, I want to add in where he talked in the doc about when she was being abhorrent to the school staff, saying horrible things to her teachers, being extremely disrespect. I mean, just you can't do that in school.
And the school, they call her out. She's at the principal's office. He shows up and he says basically, and I looked at her and asked her, did you do it? And she said no. And I said, come on, let's go. And I picked her up and we got out of there because I know she didn't lie. Despite the school staff all like, this is the shit your daughter just pulled. He's not holding her accountable in any way, shape or form, going, I believe you and going with it. I mean, what is that?
Is that narcissism? Is that, I mean, because narcissists so often see their children as extensions of themselves, not as their own individual people. And if this is how, if he sees himself as kind of being, I can break the rules and kind of do what I want to do, he's going to view her the same sort of way as the extension of himself and not accepting the consequences to any sort of actions. I'm wondering if that says more about him, not wanting to accept reality, accept consequences that come along with having a daughter that's out of control, because that would mean his parenting is out of control. And that's, rather than deal with it, it's just, nope, not true, walk away.

**Robin Dreeke** (4:02)
That's just an ego out of control. That is a massively inflated sense of self, which again, sense of self, understanding of self, that is emotional intelligence. He is bottoming out on EQ. He's got zero. Because his, think about it, there's five elements that make up someone's emotional intelligence. Our knowledge of self, our knowledge of others, our impact on those problem-solving capabilities and how we handle stress and decision-making. Think about all those five factors. Where's he at on all of them? Zero.