What Is Mackenzie Shirilla's Prison Record Telling the Parole Board?

**SPEAKER_1** (0:02)
This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Drink.

**Tony Brueski** (0:09)
Everybody's talking about it. We are still too, because there's so many lanes to this story that are up for discussion, that are up for debate, that we're going to be getting into another one, another legal one, especially now. We're later in the week and more people have had a chance to digest the crash and the story of Mackenzie Shirilla, and more and more phone calls have come out, and more and more interviews have been given to the detriment of Mackenzie Shirilla, in my opinion, by her own parents. We'll get into all of that. Mackenzie Shirilla has 36 conduct violations in less than three years at Ohio Reformatory for Women, guilty on 32 So the judge who put her away and said, yeah, I don't think you're going to fare well in there. I think you're going to go well past your 15 years, because you can't control yourself. So far, she's right.
On recorded calls, she says she doesn't need rehabilitation, calls herself the third victim, and announces plans to become a life coach. That's my personal favorite. Her parole eligibility is September 20, 37 Defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Faddis is with us to help us break all this down on whether that date means anything anymore. So here we are. Of course, Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent, chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Welcome everyone.
So 36 conduct violations in three years. She's a new prisoner. I would imagine if you're a bit of the personality type of Mackenzie, entering into the prison system is a bit of an adjustment. You're probably going to rack up maybe more in the first couple of years. I could be wrong. Unauthorized medication, altered clothing, contraband, refusing to work assignments. There's a lot of other ones too. There's some very sexual that go with the clothing area.
Eric, how can violations like this affect her parole date?

**Eric Faddis** (2:08)
Sure. Just from the outset, a parole date is a chance. It's not a guarantee. It's not some promise that you're getting out. It is your first opportunity to convince folks that you can be safe in the community.
And so certainly these violations are going to be looked at because on parole, they're determining, hey, has this person been rehabilitated? Can they be safe in the community? Can they follow the law? And if you have 30-something violations in a matter of three years, your chances are looking kind of grim.

**Tony Brueski** (2:43)
Even though it's early, I mean, obviously her parole date 2037, I believe. So we're talking about 11 years from now is when the eligibility is going to be there.
So is this comment at the beginning for someone who is young and dumb like Mackenzie Shirilla and that's putting it nicely to be off the rails at the beginning? Do people tend to calm down a little bit, get their shit in line and play by the rules? Or, I mean, we're talking 11 more years. If she does the straight and narrow from here on out, how much does the beginning affect her?

**Eric Faddis** (3:21)
Sure. So, I think that Parole Boards certainly understand immaturity. Mackenzie Shirilla, I think, is 21 years old or something. She's still kind of a kiddo.
So, they're going to look at that. They're going to look at progress over time. They're going to look at changes over time. So, she's got a chance to turn this around.
But gosh, this many violations this early on, even for a person who's new to the system, I think it's rather unusual. Oftentimes, they get in there and many of them want to mine their PS and Qs and do things by the book because they know they have that prolegibility date. They know that their behavior is going to be looked at. So, usually, you're not transgressing 10 plus times, let alone 30 plus times within three years. I think it's somewhat unusual.

**Robin Drake** (4:08)
Yeah. I'm looking at the numbers now. It is highly unusual, the numbers that come in on that. Eric, as we started this segment and Tony's talking about her being a life coach, the only thing that pops up in my mind is, sign me up, I want to see this Nutter show, right? I do too. Which then brought me down the line, which I'm curious from you, Eric. So, I know you have Son of Sam laws, which apply in some states and not states, benefiting from the death of someone else that they can, you know, legal stuff in there, right?
But I'm wondering, can she actually profit by that? Because I would imagine you actually have Nutter's like me out there said, oh, that'd be an interesting show. We could actually make an entire podcast around her coaching, right?