What Do The Three Timestamps In The Nancy Guthrie Case Actually Prove?

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
This is The Big Breakdown, a long look back at some of the biggest stories we're covering for you at the Hidden Killers Podcast and True Crime Today. This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dre.

**Tony Brueski** (0:18)
All right, we got stuff to talk about in the Nancy Guthrie case.
Some new interesting things have taken place. The opening hours of this case are the ones that stretch for the facts are actually locked, not theories, not leaks, but machine timestamps and a 911 log that is now out there. A camera goes dark at 1.47 in the morning. A pacemaker loses its signal at 2.28. Later that day after a call that Nancy had missed, Church family walks into her home and is on the phone with 911 within seven minutes. What those first hours now show us, what the records prove, what's still being kept from the public, and what a fast buy the book start says about a case that's frozen ever since is worth slowing all the way down on. That's what we're going to be doing today. Jennifer Coffindaffer, retired FBI special agent, joining myself and Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent, chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Jen, let's start with what we know about the time. The family, the record puts them in the house at 1156 They're on the phone with 911 by 1203 So they get in, where's mom? Let's look around. I mean, it's a very reasonable, oh God, what the hell is going on?
Just within 10 minutes about of them calling 911 once they get to the house. When you're looking at this from an investigative standpoint, what does it tell you about the speed of the call? What kind of a tell is that about that family that's in distress, knowing mom is not there?

**Jennifer Coffindaffer** (1:55)
Well, it tells me that I believe they went in through the garage because that's how they let her in and it seemed like that was their usual pattern. They went in and again, mom, where are you? Mom, at the call. You look around and these brands are not easy. This is not just a three bedroom, two bath ranch. This is a larger spread out house on a large property. So from there, you're going to always go in and check her guest house, just in case she went in there, heard something, had to get something out of there. Obviously, you're looking in the pool and you're looking at all the rooms. When you look at this time frame, that pretty much sets up about seven minutes, likely to accomplish all of that.
To me, when they then went out that front door and looked from the front door vantage and saw the blood, 9-1-1, oh my God, she's going.

**Tony Brueski** (2:46)
Yeah. I mean, that's the moment that I'm sure their hearts probably sunk. I mean, at first, I imagine anything could be going through your head.
Did she get picked up somewhere? Did she go for a walk? She couldn't go for a walk. Her cane's right here. All these things running through their minds in that cheer moment of panic, and then they see the blood on that porch. The 911 call is the one that started everything. And all of this time later, the public still hasn't heard a second of the 911 call yet. It's being held back, they say, for the investigation itself. But you've been on the inside of calls like that. When the recording that kicked off this whole case still stays locked up for this long, and we still don't have her, I guess, what's being protected? Why can't we hear the 911 call?

**Jennifer Coffindaffer** (3:37)
They're always going to protect that call in a case like this, and they did the same thing in the Idaho 4 case. We never heard that call until well into the adjudication of that case. So they're going to follow that. There's no reason the public doesn't need to know.
The clues towards by schools and vehicle, that's what the public can help with. They're not going to release anything unless the public can provide help. Other than that, they don't care that the public doesn't.

**Robin Drake** (4:10)
Yeah, I'm really curious about the 911 call, Jen, because only when we started looking at this, like, oh my gosh, we haven't had the 911 call. Especially since 911 calls, as you know, are so telling because you can really predict whether someone has involvement or not involvement. A lot of times, not all the time, but a lot of times from a 911 call, I would think if they're looking to clear family and show how they're not involved, just how they make that 911 call could really dispel a lot of those conspiracy theories on it, I would think. Any thoughts on that?