What Did Rex Heuermann Gain By Bringing Up Karen Vergata During His Plea?

**Tony Brueski** (0:00)
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**Tony Brueski** (0:16)
Obviously, the other part of the Rex Heuermann story is Rex Heuermann. He spent nearly three years fighting every single charge that was being brought against him, and living more than 20 in incognito, if you will. His defense team lost every motion, DNA, separate trials, the entire framework challenge. Then in a 30-minute hearing, the man who swore he didn't do it pled guilty to seven murders and admitted to an eighth victim nobody knew was coming. His attorney called it a calculated pivot.
But what did Heuermann actually gain by making it? And is he accepting responsibility or managing the narrative? One final time, Bob Mata, defense attorney, host of the podcast, Defense Diaries, is with Robin and myself. As we break all this down, let's talk about that. The calculated pivot, every pretrial motion was denied, the DNA challenge, the motion to separate the cases, all of it. When a defense attorney loses every legal avenue that they have, what does the calculus actually look like behind the closed doors and how much of this decision do you think was Heuermann saying, okay, it's time to come clean versus his attorney going, we ain't got no roads to go down here, my friend.

**Bob Mata** (1:32)
I think it was a combination of both.

**Tony Brueski** (1:34)
Yeah.

**Bob Mata** (1:35)
Ultimately, whether or not he's going to plea is completely Heuermann's decision.

**Tony Brueski** (1:40)
Sure.

**Bob Mata** (1:40)
All his attorney could do is advise him. But yeah, after you have two things going against you, one, you have the way to the evidence and the strength of it, and any competent attorney looking and say, we got problems here. Look, I'm going to try to get, I'm going to file some motions to suppress, I'm going to try to do some different things. The motion to sever was huge. You know, I mean, when they lost that, you know, when you have the cases bootstrapped to one another, you know, it creates an almost unwinnable situation because that helps boost along the cases that may not have as much powerful evidence as the other ones because you're trying them all at the same time. You know, jurors aren't going to be able to compartmentalize those cases in their head as they're hearing all the evidence coming in. They're going to look at them as a group, even though there may have been years in between the homicides, you know what I mean? It's, and it's that shit that Robin loves. It's the psychology. It really is. You know, so when you lose that motion to sever and you know they're trying all the cases together, that's a massive gut blow. But on top of that, when you find out all the DNA is coming in, like it's the one too, right? The DNA is coming in, we're screwed here. And then the other part of it is they're trying all these cases together.
An attorney, a good attorney is going to go to his client and say, we're fucked.
Pardon my French, but we are absolutely screwed here. We are not going to win this thing. So the ball's in your court, Rex, what do you want to do with it? You know, and again, we talked about this last week a bit.
But the fact that they don't have that carrot to dangle, that death penalty to pull off the table, it becomes interesting. And I think that we were talking about it, and I was curious to see whether or not this was going to be a plea deal, or what was just going to be a change of plea, which we talked about last week being different things. And ultimately, it was kind of a hybrid.

**Tony Brueski** (3:43)
Yeah.

**Bob Mata** (3:44)
It's definitely a change of plea, but, you know, tyranny went to him and said, look, you know, here's what we want, you know, and I'll try to make some concessions. Not moving on years at all. You're doing, you're doing all the time. I'll drop a few of the charges or some of the counts, but you're going to be doing the time for each and every victim.
And ultimately, you know, I think either way Heuermann was pleading out, no matter whether tyranny was going to offer or not, because there was that big question. I kept all my friends in the industry, cops, like everybody, oh, like, who are you going to go up there and spill it all? I'm like, no, he's going to go up there and just say he's guilty, you know. And it's surprising to me when I see attorneys that practice criminal law like get kind of sucked into the, you know, just the excitement of it, for lack of a better term.